[Trade] Flames trade Baertschi to VAN for a 2015 2nd round pick (Baertschi requested trade)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i also feel bad it didn't work out. My view, however, is that he lacks size, and his speed, puck skills, vision, aren't of high enough caliber to allow him to easily translate results in development/minor leagues to the NHL...

A string of concussions and injuries suffered in 2012–13 caught up with him, and he was never the same player that was drafted.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

LOL at the recent posts in this thread.

This is what I do when I buy a new gadget or vehicle. Read reviews on how the decision I made was a good one.. to make me feel better.....

You better keep the truth to yourself.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

...Rico Fata, Schremp, wth are you guys talking about.
This kids played under 82 NHL games and is around .5ppg

He has scored 4 points in 16 games this season, and has not looked very good in a single one of them.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I hate the canucks as well but this is stupid. Sven is a decent prospect. Only a few months ago we voted him as a top 5 prospect on this very forum.

Before THIS season. This was his chance to prove his worth, and he never rose to the occasion. He is not as good a prospect today as he was a year ago—in part because of being a year closer to waiver eligibility, and also because he has not improved since his draft year. That's just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

And all the back check, soft etc. We have had players named Cervenka, Hagman, Huselius, Raymond and I would argue Gaudreau sucks defensively asides from his ability to poke check and stick lift using his sleight of hand to his advantage..

A few of those were/are very good offensive players. Baertschi is not.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

How different the tone of this thread would be if we just called up Sven today after he lead the baby flames to the playoffs only for him to score the game winner vs phx on the PP on a feed from monahan and stay up the rest of the season / playoffs taking Raymonds spot...

Indeed. But that's not what happened.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

The reason the winning response on this poll is we did ok considering the circumstances is 99% of flames fans know had we not publically called the kid out and pooped on our whole "earned never given" motto by throwing out Setoguchi, Galliardi, Shore, Jooris, Streete and others players who imo didnt deserve a spot more than sven.

I have to think that you are not serious about this. The majority responded the way they did most likely because Baertschi is at this point in his career looking very likely to be a marginal NHL player.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Im dissapointed and its crappy asset management. Sven will play in this league. He will play in our division, our conference and bite us in the ass. I'm sure of it...

I'm not holding my breath. He didn't look very good the other night. Like he hasn't looked very good at any point this season. I expect that this is the player he has become, and that is not a player with a bright and long NHL career ahead of him.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

How different the tone of this thread would be if we just called up Sven today after he lead the baby flames to the playoffs only for him to score the game winner vs phx on the PP on a feed from monahan and stay up the rest of the season / playoffs taking Raymonds spot.

Yes, if the situation was completely different, people's reactions would also be completely different.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

LOL at the recent posts in this thread.

This is what I do when I buy a new gadget or vehicle. Read reviews on how the decision I made was a good one.. to make me feel better.

Rico Fata, Schremp, wth are you guys talking about.
This kids played under 82 NHL games and is around .5ppg

I hate the canucks as well but this is stupid. Sven is a decent prospect. Only a few months ago we voted him as a top 5 prospect on this very forum.

"entitled", "dad jokes" are all really classy flames fans. Hope he burns us so we realize its not ok to crap on a prospect publically. O wait - maybe hes just too weak psychologically.

And all the back check, soft etc. We have had players named Cervenka, Hagman, Huselius, Raymond and I would argue Gaudreau sucks defensively asides from his ability to poke check and stick lift using his sleight of hand to his advantage..

How different the tone of this thread would be if we just called up Sven today after he lead the baby flames to the playoffs only for him to score the game winner vs phx on the PP on a feed from monahan and stay up the rest of the season / playoffs taking Raymonds spot.

We'd be using different names than Schremp and Fata.

Its ok for a fan base to be butthurt because they basically spent 3-4 years developing a player only for him to return them a draft pick one full round lower than where they picked him.

The reason the winning response on this poll is we did ok considering the circumstances is 99% of flames fans know had we not publically called the kid out and pooped on our whole "earned never given" motto by throwing out Setoguchi, Galliardi, Shore, Jooris, Streete and others players who imo didnt deserve a spot more than sven.

Im dissapointed and its crappy asset management. Sven will play in this league. He will play in our division, our conference and bite us in the ass. I'm sure of it

We just neeed to hope our 2nd rounder can make an impact.

ok

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by theoforever

You better keep the truth to yourself.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

LOL at the recent posts in this thread.

This is what I do when I buy a new gadget or vehicle. Read reviews on how the decision I made was a good one.. to make me feel better.

Rico Fata, Schremp, wth are you guys talking about.
This kids played under 82 NHL games and is around .5ppg

I hate the canucks as well but this is stupid. Sven is a decent prospect. Only a few months ago we voted him as a top 5 prospect on this very forum.

"entitled", "dad jokes" are all really classy flames fans. Hope he burns us so we realize its not ok to crap on a prospect publically. O wait - maybe hes just too weak psychologically.

And all the back check, soft etc. We have had players named Cervenka, Hagman, Huselius, Raymond and I would argue Gaudreau sucks defensively asides from his ability to poke check and stick lift using his sleight of hand to his advantage..

How different the tone of this thread would be if we just called up Sven today after he lead the baby flames to the playoffs only for him to score the game winner vs phx on the PP on a feed from monahan and stay up the rest of the season / playoffs taking Raymonds spot.

We'd be using different names than Schremp and Fata.

Its ok for a fan base to be butthurt because they basically spent 3-4 years developing a player only for him to return them a draft pick one full round lower than where they picked him.

The reason the winning response on this poll is we did ok considering the circumstances is 99% of flames fans know had we not publically called the kid out and pooped on our whole "earned never given" motto by throwing out Setoguchi, Galliardi, Shore, Jooris, Streete and others players who imo didnt deserve a spot more than sven.

Im dissapointed and its crappy asset management. Sven will play in this league. He will play in our division, our conference and bite us in the ass. I'm sure of it

We just neeed to hope our 2nd rounder can make an impact.

Yup, totally agree. The tone would be totally different.

IF...

"he lead the baby flames to the playoffs only for him to score the game winner vs phx on the PP on a feed from monahan and stay up the rest of the season / playoffs taking Raymonds spot"

except, you know, he didn't, so....

[AcGold]

I'm shocked people care so much still, it seems like he hasn't been on the team for more than a year so he's old news. Let him do whatever in whereverville.

[JohnnySkittles]

I'm not surprised at all. He was seen as a key piece of our future by a lot of people, lots of excitement was behind him.

[FAN]

Baertschi always had the offensive skill to play in the NHL but he had a high bust factor due to his size and ability to win puck battles. I wouldn't rule him out as a prospect just yet. He clearly had his mind set on going somewhere else. You see it in his AHL totals. He scored 8 goals in 36 games with Adirondack and had 7 goals in 12 games with Utica. From everything I have read, Baertschi's performance with Utica was how he performed with the Heat during the lockout year.

But that was the AHL. Baertschi is a player you probably need to just gift minutes and offensive opportunities to see if he can produce. Criticizing him like Burke did simply doesn't work with him. He needs to be coddled. Not saying that it will work, but it works better.

[Montagna]

Schremp has a higher PPG than Baertschi in the NHL.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by FAN

But that was the AHL. Baertschi is a player you probably need to just gift minutes and offensive opportunities to see if he can produce. Criticizing him like Burke did simply doesn't work with him. He needs to be coddled. Not saying that it will work, but it works better.

We're all guessing, but I think they have to do the opposite (!).

Following Sven (via CP) after we drafted him, I remember reading about how he worked hard on his skills and even remember seeing a video of him in Portland practicing his stick skills when no one else was left on the ice. At that time, I thought that reflected a thorough work ethic.

However, I've come around to the opinion that Sven has a very specific work ethic. He has the enthusiasm to work on the things he wants (stick handling, shooting) and not on the things he doesn't like (physical aspect, attention to D).

The Flames had no luck changing that habit, and you can still read that his current Vancouver version still wants to focus on the things he likes to do. I think Vancouver's only chance with him is to take a tough stance, outline his weaknesses, and tell him to work on it during the summer. If they coddle, he won't improve. But if they're tough with him, and if he realizes he's hearing the same message from his new team, maybe it'll finally get through.

[keratosis]

Wow.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

However, I've come around to the opinion that Sven has a very specific work ethic. He has the enthusiasm to work on the things he wants (stick handling, shooting) and not on the things he doesn't like (physical aspect, attention to D).

The Flames had no luck changing that habit, and you can still read that his current Vancouver version still wants to focus on the things he likes to do. I think Vancouver's only chance with him is to take a tough stance, outline his weaknesses, and tell him to work on it during the summer. If they coddle, he won't improve. But if they're tough with him, and if he realizes he's hearing the same message from his new team, maybe it'll finally get through.

Interesting points. For me, I believe it is possible to challenge a player, be tough on him, and give him a lot of opportunities. Mike Keenan was notorious for that.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

I'm not surprised at all. He was seen as a key piece of our future by a lot of people, lots of excitement was behind him.

I would say some but not lots. If he broke the top 6 that would have been a huge success, not much hype really. Gaudreau and Bennett have lots of excitement behind them.

[Azhouse]

Wrong thread

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I would say some but not lots. If he broke the top 6 that would have been a huge success, not much hype really. Gaudreau and Bennett have lots of excitement behind them.

Yes, but after that 3 goals in 5 games at the end of the season there was massive hype and excitement around him. More then any other player we've had in a while.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by JohnnySkittles

Yes, but after that 3 goals in 5 games at the end of the season there was massive hype and excitement around him. More then any other player we've had in a while.

For some people but really it wasn't that much hype. Most people were aware that 5 games didn't really mean that much. Most players can go on a hot streak here or there.

[Circa89]

What did we get for Akim Aliu? Remember when he had 2 goals and 1 assist in a two game call up in 2012? We should have gotten at least a 2nd for him as well since his ppg was higher than Baerschitis' no?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

The reason the winning response on this poll is we did ok considering the circumstances is 99% of flames fans know had we not publically called the kid out and pooped on our whole "earned never given" motto by throwing out Setoguchi, Galliardi, Shore, Jooris, Streete and others players who imo didnt deserve a spot more than sven.

Jooris was the best Flame in the preseason and is a much more versatile player than Sven. Given the tone of your post, I don't believe you would have been very happy if Sven was on the roster and mostly sat in the press box like the rest of the guys you listed.