Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[CliffFletcher]

The anxiety over the minute dosages of chemicals put into the air by vaping pens and smoking outdoors verges on hysteria.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

most of you are talking about the enjoyment of smoking pot over other delivery systems, and smoking to get high.

in the context of non smoking buildings and medicinal pot, I still don't see any argument for why smoking pot would be ok in a non smoking building. especially the argument of it as a human rights issue.

and for you people that love to get high, don't forget many medicinal users use strains where they choose NOT to get high. it's not always about getting a buzz when talking about pot.

Look man, my granny is on a FIXED INCOME and vaping/eating and other non conventional methods just do NOT cut it for her rheumatoid artheritis. Her neighbours can move if they don't like it, but Trudeau said she is allowed to take her medicine WHEN and HOW she needs it.

You think the courts are going to evict my sweet granny because she uses a two foot gravity bong to take her DOCTOR PRESCRIBED medicine? Well think again, pal.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't smoke or do drugs, I don't care who does as long as it's not affecting anyone else. I don't really come in this thread but I just got new neighbours who smoke a lot of pot and they do it outside. I play outside with my 4 year old all the time and now I really can't because I don't want my son exposed to that. I've tried to say something to them and they just flat out don't care. I know most people who smoke aren't like this but this is a big issue for me, it's bad enough that non smokers are forced to walk through areas where people smoke all the time but now it's going to be pot smoke and for someone who doesn't do drugs at all, it affects me and I don't like the feeling and don't want my 4 year old son to feel that way.

I don't know any of the rules that are going to be going with this but I really hope there's some kind of rule or law that forces people to smoke inside.

Nothing personal, but I don't think your position is a reasonable one. Once recreational use of marijuana is legal in this country people will have the right to use it in their own homes, back yards, etc. (renters being the possible exception) in the exact same way they can enjoy an alcoholic beverage.

You can of course educate your child about the dangers of excessive use particularly by younger people but you can't expect your views to dictate how others enjoy a completely legal 'vice'.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

most of you are talking about the enjoyment of smoking pot over other delivery systems, and smoking to get high.

in the context of non smoking buildings and medicinal pot, I still don't see any argument for why smoking pot would be ok in a non smoking building. especially the argument of it as a human rights issue.

and for you people that love to get high, don't forget many medicinal users use strains where they choose NOT to get high. it's not always about getting a buzz when talking about pot.

CBD oil will be more than sufficient if that's what you're after.

It's just a shame you can't tell the people at the clinic 'I don't like drug dealers. I was told if I came to you, it comes in the mail. Can you help?'

[icecube]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I’m not a marriage councillor or anything, but do you really think hiding drug use(even if it’s legal) behind your wife’s back when you know she wouldn’t approve is either a) a good idea or b) not going to end up with her figuring it out anyways?

She doesn't mind that I vape cannabis, she just doesn't like the smell so she doesn't like it consumed in the house. But like I said, the smell is gone within a minute anyhow. And what momma don't know... won't hurt her.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

most of you are talking about the enjoyment of smoking pot over other delivery systems, and smoking to get high.

in the context of non smoking buildings and medicinal pot, I still don't see any argument for why smoking pot would be ok in a non smoking building. especially the argument of it as a human rights issue.

and for you people that love to get high, don't forget many medicinal users use strains where they choose NOT to get high. it's not always about getting a buzz when talking about pot.

You're lumping recreational users and medical users together, who are you to say someone doesn't have the right to use their dr prescribed meds in their home? Supreme court ruled that it is a right..

I get where you're coming from but medical and recreational aren't the same.

And like I said medical users can use and grow it in their home without landlord consent or even disclosing it, under the ACMPR.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

You're lumping recreational users and medical users together, who are you to say someone doesn't have the right to use their dr prescribed meds in their home? Supreme court ruled that it is a right..

I get where you're coming from but medical and recreational aren't the same.

And like I said medical users can use and grow it in their home without landlord consent or even disclosing it, under the ACMPR.

No, he’s responding to people who were lumping the two together.

I don’t think there’s any “right” being violated by banning smoking, considering it has to be the least effective and (subjectively) worst method for taking medicine.

I’m assuming you’re a patient, based on your defence of it, but I know that for many patients it’s not about getting high or having a smoke, it’s about finding an effective opioid substitute that relieves their symptoms and let’s them feel normal again. Getting baked is rarely ideal for genuine medical users (people like cancer patients or chronic pain sufferers, for example, not the people who got a prescription for some half-made up reason).

It’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out, but with the rise of studies and technologies, and the obvious negative health effects of smoking, I see the actual flower’s future as prescribed medical use to be dim. Oil is just such a vastly superior delivery method for medical users.

[Poe969]

all good points and thanks for the feedback but I'm guessing most of you smoke so it's not a big deal to you. And the point about it being the same as alcohol isn't really the same at all, and it's not really even close. You can sit beside someone who snuck a mickey and is drinking and not even know it, if someone starts smoking beside you you'll know for sure because you're being forced to breath in second hand smoke. I've had some people try to tell me that second hand smoke isn't that big of a deal and they're partially right because it isn't a big deal to the smoker just to the people around them. The main reason smoking bothers me is because of what it does to the people who don't want to be affected by it, I don't care about the stink...well I do but it's not really a big deal. I hate being someplace where you're forced to smoke, if you're outside anywhere (concert, fund raiser, or any kind of event) and there are a bunch of smokers who won't move because it's their right then you're forcing non smokers to smoke or leave. When you're somewhere with kids and they're being forced to smoke, what do you do? I don't want my kids being forced to have to get high or not be outside. I guess you just hope that people become more respectful and for the most part a lot of people are but it's those bad apples that spoil the bunch so to speak. I was thinking one simple option would be to carry around an air horn, when you're in a park and someone walks up and lights up next to you, because it's their right, you just pull out the air horn next to them because it's your right to do that too.

[Fuzz]

I'm not saying I don't agree with some of your points, but I'm pretty sure the smell from your neighbours isn't going to get your kid high, unless they are less than 5 feet away. I could be wrong on that but I've smelled it plenty and not gotten high.

Maybe come up with some good skunk stories you can regale your kids with...

[Poe969]

The way our back deck is set up, it's right next to theirs so we're about 5-10 feet away if we want to sit outside. I don't do any kinds of drugs and hardly drink so even a little second hand smoke makes me feel weird, my 4 year old said he started feeling sick because he was outside playing while they were smoking (I didn't know they were out there smoking or I would have taken him in). And it's not the smell, it's the smoke. Again, I don't care about the smell it's what the smoke does. It's like onions, most people don't mind the smell of onions but if you force them to cut onions they'll have a reaction to it.

I know not everyone is like this but when it happens a couple of times, it really sucks. Most people are fairly respectful and aren't even bothered when you ask them to please not smoke near your kids.

[Fuzz]

Maybe you just need one of these, strategically placed....

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't want my kids being forced to have to get high or not be outside.

Contact intoxication from second hand cannabis smoke isn't a real thing unless you're talking about someone being forced to sit in an enclosed space with so much smoke that breathing in the air is the equivalent of taking a hoot/puff/drag(whatever the kids are saying these days). You may be able to smell the cannabis smoke and identify it as such but your kids are not going to get high if the neighbours are smoking up. At that point its just like nuisance smoke from a fire pit. Your kids will be smelling cannabis smoke a lot more after next summer; it is better to avoid these pearl clutching emphatic statements.

[Sainters7]

I could certainly see how constant weed smoke wafting into a neighbour's house would bother someone, especially if they don't do it themselves. In my experience, people who don't smoke it HATE the smell of it. Fair enough, I won't argue that as I could totally see it.

I just don't see how they could ban that though, they can't. It's the same as a person hating that their neighbour has a backyard fire pit all summer and the smokey smell keeps wafting into their windows. That's annoying as hell, it stinks. But what's the City going to do, ban backyard fire pits? Good luck with that...

It's just one of those annoying things you have to learn to live with I guess, just the classic neighbour "luck of the draw" unfortunately. Not much you can do about someone doing that on their own property, IMO.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The way our back deck is set up, it's right next to theirs so we're about 5-10 feet away if we want to sit outside. I don't do any kinds of drugs and hardly drink so even a little second hand smoke makes me feel weird

Its like I tell my wife when she says she has a headache, Its all in your head.

But seriously unless you are seeing the smoke you are breathing in I doubt you are doing anything besides smelling it and even then. That said though people could be more courteous regarding smoking in general and many are, we can't lump everyone in together and especially not label them just because its Marijuna smoke.

[wwkayaker]

On The Fifth Estate tonight, they did a show about impaired driving after marijuana use. The testing method Canada is going to use is a decades old test called DRE—people trained as Drug Recognition Experts. It sounds like the test is not very reliable, very subjective, and takes about an hour for a drug expert to conduct. The government is pumping in millions of dollars to train police officers to become drug recognition experts. The test appears to be more pseudoscience than science. I can’t imagine it will take long before the testing is challenged in the courts. It looks like a poor test, huge waste of money, and time consuming for police forces and the courts.

[Flash Walken]

sounds like a cash cow.

[CliffFletcher]

The authorities realize people have been driving stoned for decades, right? Why wait until now to put all these resources into catching stoned driving? Going by the experience of Colorado, we can expect marijuana use among adults to increase from 12 per cent to 17 per cent. Which isn't the kind of night and day societal transformation that a lot of people seem to be expecting.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The authorities realize people have been driving stoned for decades, right? Why wait until now to put all these resources into catching stoned driving? Going by the experience of Colorado, we can expect marijuana use among adults to increase from 12 per cent to 17 per cent. Which isn't the kind of night and day societal transformation that a lot of people seem to be expecting.

I'm guessing because any move towards roadside testing will be viewed as feel good legislation. The attempt to appear to be concerned with pot impaired driving. The appetite for tax revenue has outpaced the ability to properly screen possible impaired drivers however, which is why we will end up with officer discretion.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

There’s a great fifth estate on CBC news right now about pathetic standards for marijuana testing while driving.

Basically we better hope that police don’t follow any of the standards are policies set by the federal government.

Obviously this is not new information it’s good to see that the media is paying attention to it.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

You're lumping recreational users and medical users together, who are you to say someone doesn't have the right to use their dr prescribed meds in their home? Supreme court ruled that it is a right..

I get where you're coming from but medical and recreational aren't the same.

And like I said medical users can use and grow it in their home without landlord consent or even disclosing it, under the ACMPR.

As was mentioned by pepsi i was responding to someone who was lumping the two together.
What i was arguing earlier was about the fact i think a non smoking apartment complex should be non smoking for anything. No matter if medicinal or not.