Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I appreciate how you live in an insane duality where government can't do anything right, only the private sector. Yet you support for our next prime minister someone who's only ever been in government his entire career against a person who has a long successful career in the private sector.

Well saying the "government can't do anything right" is mostly true, even a broken clock is right twice a day. But there is a massive pile of evidence to suggest that is correct.

As far as career polticians go, I am willing to bet that if you had a vote in the 2020 US election, you would of voted for the career politician (Biden) over the whoever ran as a Repulican, so I don't think that matters much to you. So unless you think that Biden's presidency was a total disaster, there is evidence to suggest that your critique is off. Does it apply to Obama too?

Policy is how you should vote.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's not just political opponents he wants dead. He'd like to see anyone that opposes his opinions gone. He's wished many people dead in recent times including anti-vaxxers, convoy-ers and many others.

Just saying we'd be better off without them around. They can go to Mars, or Palm Springs, for all I care. Just stop giving them power and influence.

[Monahammer]

Your reading comprehension needs work. At no point did I say this was a desirable or reasonable approach to voting, I was merely pointing out how ridiculously contrarian you are even about your own positions.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Whether you like it or not, Canada healthcare competes with American healthcare. Part of the shortage is, healthcare professions moving to the US for better pay.

So everything should be on table when it comes to making the lives of people better.

These problems are solvable, just not by goverment.

I agree everything should be on the table and am surprised you brought it up...as it seems by far the most common refrain is "privatize it" which usually doesn't work, and really means we should be looking elsewhere for a solution.

Why would government be unable to solve it? Most governments in the world with public health...have done just that. By most metrics, the US is worse off than its peers in the health sector, with Canada just above them as well, and your move is to emulate the only system we are better than?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just saying we'd be better off without them around. They can go to Mars, or Palm Springs, for all I care. Just stop giving them power and influence.

Kill them with facts, not weapons

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Kill them with facts, not weapons

Sadly, some people seem to be immune to facts...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Just saying we'd be better off without them around. They can go to Mars, or Palm Springs, for all I care. Just stop giving them power and influence.

Just the other day you said that you are hoping an asteroid hits Mar-a-Lago so that Kevin O'Leary and Jordan Peterson are killed. There are plenty of other examples in the recent past of you calling for your "enemies" to die.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Just the other day you said that you are hoping an asteroid hits Mar-a-Lago so that Kevin O'Leary and Jordan Peterson are killed. There are plenty of other examples in the recent past of you calling for your "enemies" to die.

OK, but those aren't actual people. They're Russian bots animated by some sort of zombie fungus.

[Monahammer]

The world would be a much better place if Jordan Peterson was dead. That is something I will proudly and loudly say.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Cain

I agree everything should be on the table and am surprised you brought it up...as it seems by far the most common refrain is "privatize it" which usually doesn't work, and really means we should be looking elsewhere for a solution.

Why would government be unable to solve it? Most governments in the world with public health...have done just that. By most metrics, the US is worse off than its peers in the health sector, with Canada just above them as well, and your move is to emulate the only system we are better than?

My argument is that healthcare, regardless of how it’s delivered, always has some problems. It seems that where U.S. healthcare succeeds, public healthcare fails, and where public healthcare succeeds, private healthcare fails. Essentially, we have two extremes, and the solution likely lies somewhere in the middle. As you noted, Canada has quietly moved toward that middle without much fanfare, and the U.S. has already been partly there.

My Friends dad was daignosed with metastatic melanoma, which in Canada is basically a death sentence because the therapies that can prolong your life, the goverment doesn't want to pay for them, so they aren't available.

So after doctors here said there was nothing they can do (this was 12 years ago) he went to the US, got treatment, he is still here today and healthy. If he stayed in Canada he would not be here.

So yes there plenty of stories out of the US but there plenty in Canada. There should be no chest pumping on either side to which is better.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sadly, some people seem to be immune to facts...

Sure, you can't win them all bud, there is lots of information out there and things evolve. People are going to slip up here and there.

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

You're right, you both need a timeout. It's annoying sifting through your never ending bickering.

I’d love for a separate thread for Fuzz, Mel, Johnny and PF and the other uber partisans can all hang out and do whatever it is they do.

Then we can have another thread that isn’t embarrassingly ultra partisan and full of dumb rhetoric and propaganda where people who actually want to discuss the real world can do so.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The world would be a much better place if Jordan Peterson was dead. That is something I will proudly and loudly say.

Jordan Peterson, if he is a threat at all, is a threat to your ideas. That is only punishable by death in Authoritarian countries. So if your hate runs that deep, you are on the wrong side of history

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by ryan coke

i’d love for a separate thread for fuzz, mel, johnny and pf and the other uber partisans can all hang out and do whatever it is they do.

Then we can have another thread that isn’t embarrassingly ultra partisan and full of dumb rhetoric and propaganda where people who actually want to discuss the real world can do so.

i proposed that a few days ago. I am game!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am all for, and encouraging of a difference of opinions, and to be Fair, Puzz, PepsiFree and Johnny Makarov among others are not great examples for proper decorum.

With that said, WTF does this goading and name call add to the discussion other than blatantly troll? Move this garbage to Facebook.

what is proper decorum for dealing with an antivax maga moron who suddenly reappears in here after 15 years of not posting? Spewing boomer phrases like Take the L... hahahhaa

Olive branch?

I think the only way to fix this is that you have to have at least 100 posts in the Fire&Ice forum before you are allowed to post in the Off Topic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I’d love for a separate thread for Fuzz, Mel, Johnny and PF and the other uber partisans can all hang out and do whatever it is they do.

Then we can have another thread that isn’t embarrassingly ultra partisan and full of dumb rhetoric and propaganda where people who actually want to discuss the real world can do so.

Apologies for the dumb rhetoric and propaganda, like explaining provincial jurisdiction vs federal jurisdiction in regards to natural resource exports. My bad.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

i proposed that a few days ago. I am game!

Go ahead, start it up, and focus all your time there. We’ll be there in a minute.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Just the other day you said that you are hoping an asteroid hits Mar-a-Lago so that Kevin O'Leary and Jordan Peterson are killed. There are plenty of other examples in the recent past of you calling for your "enemies" to die.

These are people actively making the world a worse place. One of them continues to attack resources my family needs. Another spews BS to corrupt the brains of young men to the point they think voting Trump is actually a good idea. The other one is a traitor to Canada only looking out for his own pocket book. The world would be better off if they didn't exist, or worked in a train caboose washing dishes. I don't care. Asteroid? Sure, whatever. You know hyperbole is a thing, right? Like, I'm not going to pay someone to go out and kill them, but if an asteroid hits, I'm cheering, because it's a massive net positive for society. Some people are that awful.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Public health care crisis



The number is much much higher as some provinces don't even track wait time deaths

People continue to travel to the US for superior care



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/articl...r-colonoscopy/

Privatize now! Increase public health funding now!!!

Fixed.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

These are people actively making the world a worse place. One of them continues to attack resources my family needs. Another spews BS to corrupt the brains of young men to the point they think voting Trump is actually a good idea. The other one is a traitor to Canada only looking out for his own pocket book. The world would be better off if they didn't exist, or worked in a train caboose washing dishes. I don't care. Asteroid? Sure, whatever. You know hyperbole is a thing, right? Like, I'm not going to pay someone to go out and kill them, but if an asteroid hits, I'm cheering, because it's a massive net positive for society. Some people are that awful.

Do you support the death penalty?