Geez Sweaters, I'd rather swallow your tripe than having any form of NDP government, but can you please stop making a fool of yourself. First, the blatant lie in regards to "flag gate". And then your infomercial, whining on national TV. Using divide and conquer politics similar to Karl Rove only works on an ignorant,uneducated and redneck electorate like the southern U.S. . You will have to convince a liberal country why you won't return to your dictorial ways. Although the NDP would probably bankrupt this country, at least |I do not have to worry about being sent to the gulag if I get on their bad side. Smarten up Harper, play fair and have respect for the house of parliament and the other members. Then, and only then, will you garner the respect of the 62% of the country that did not vote for you.
Everyday I wake up, I feel like I'm in this horrible neverending nightmare. One road leads to financial collapse led by Layton and the unions. And the other side is a spendaholic Conservative government that refuses to show respect to the party that has kept this country together all these years.
Geez Sweaters, I'd rather swallow your tripe than having any form of NDP government, but can you please stop making a fool of yourself. First, the blatant lie in regards to "flag gate". And then your infomercial, whining on national TV. Using divide and conquer politics similar to Karl Rove only works on an ignorant,uneducated and redneck electorate like the southern U.S. . You will have to convince a liberal country why you won't return to your dictorial ways. Although the NDP would probably bankrupt this country, at least |I do not have to worry about being sent to the gulag if I get on their bad side. Smarten up Harper, play fair and have respect for the house of parliament and the other members. Then, and only then, will you garner the respect of the 62% of the country that did not vote for you.
Everyday I wake up, I feel like I'm in this horrible neverending nightmare. One road leads to financial collapse led by Layton and the unions. And the other side is a spendaholic Conservative government that refuses to show respect to the party that has kept this country together all these years.
As it was last night, you've got the art of melodramatic wording and vivid imagery once again down...and also, a whole lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak.
As you compare the Conservaties to 3 different poltical ideologies in your disjointed post, interested to hear your impressions of the party that the "intelligent and educated people", as you called them yesterday "can finally vote for", and their leader, after today's circus..or as you put them "the party the kept this country together all these years" and in the stroke of a pen decides to play roulette with the party that wants to split the country apart.
I'd like to see video of all that running around by the Liberal party set to the "Benny Hill theme".
I'm not talented enough to actually create a video like that for you but ever since reading your post I can't get the darned theme out of my head! Thanks Jiri!
It is just so apt for this coalition in so many ways.
As it was last night, you've got the art of melodramatic wording and vivid imagery once again down...and also, a whole lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak.
As you compare the Conservaties to 3 different poltical ideologies in your disjointed post, interested to hear your impressions of the party that the "intelligent and educated people", as you called them yesterday "can finally vote for", and their leader, after today's circus..or as you put them "the party the kept this country together all these years" and in the stroke of a pen decides to play roulette with the party that wants to split the country apart.
I must say I appreciate your sensible feedback browna. I can sense liberal yearnings within your words. Always room for one more . After all, if you have been following this thread and you were foreign to this country, whose party faithful would you most likely align with. Enough said.
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After all, if you have been following this thread and you were foreign to this country, whose party faithful would you most likely align with. Enough said.
Well since it is obviously not the Conservatives in your oh so melodramatic world...who is it?
The Liberals with their lame duck leader who cant help but come off as a buffoon every time the pressure is on and who have blatently lied to Canadians about forming a coalition with the NDP?
The NDP and their socialistic ways who could not be a poorer choice in times of fiscal uncertainty?
Or is it the Bloq Quebecois, who by their own admission could care less about any part of Canada but that piece of land that lies within the borders of the Quebec?
Or are you suggesting that there is now a Liberal/NDP/Bloq party that, should parliament be dissolved and an election called, will run under the same umbrella in a case of proving they meant what they said when they sat in front of cameras on Monday and told everyone that what they were doing "is in the best interests of Canada"?
Slightly OT...I think Harper made a serious error by introducing a fiscal update with so many provocative initiatives and showing a serious inability to collaborate...although he certainly has other great leadership qualities, this whole situation may have been avoidable if he wasn't such a prcik and he is lucky the opposition seems to get gobsmacked by routine tasks like a making a speech...if they were halfway competent he would definitely be in the opposition come 2009 IMO
If Parliment is parouged (sp?) the CPC will get through this simply because the coalition will keep walking into sharp objects for the next two months however the next time the CPC has a leadership convention Harper will suffer for this
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Prorouged?
Anyhow...I dont disgree with what you are saying at all with regards to harper. He made a bit of a tactical mistake that as someon else coined was responded too by taking a nuclear bomb to kill a mosquito. The party may have unity behind his idea of cutting taxpayer dollars to prop up parties, but timing and optics matter a lot too and he has caused all of his MP's a great deal of work because of it.
That being said, this is no time for him to backdown from the face of seperatists having the ability to extort the country's financial coffers. Afterall, as Dion and Layton have admitted repeatedly, they feel they are better equipped to guide the country through the forseeable financial crisis, yet have no plan of their own and can't even co-ordinate a proper 3 minute video when needed. Beyond that, even if people don't think Harper was given a mandate to run the country, they have to admit that Dion was most certainly told in no uncertain terms he was not wanted by a huge majority of Canadians as well. So harper should fight this fight based just on that situation alone.
Slightly OT...I think Harper made a serious error by introducing a fiscal update with so many provocative initiatives and showing a serious inability to collaborate...although he certainly has other great leadership qualities, this whole situation may have been avoidable if he wasn't such a prcik and he is lucky the opposition seems to get gobsmacked by routine tasks like a making a speech...if they were halfway competent he would definitely be in the opposition come 2009 IMO
If Parliment is parouged (sp?) the CPC will get through this simply because the coalition will keep walking into sharp objects for the next two months however the next time the CPC has a leadership convention Harper will suffer for this
Good post.
And I think once the Libs have a new leader they'll do pretty well out of it in the end too. They'll paint the coalition scheme as all Dion and Layton (who cares about the seperatists), the crisis origin as Harper's doing and voila. This isn't wishful thinking on my part per se, I just can see it spun like that. Actually thats not spin.
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I think that if the GG suspends Parliment that this coalition will have lost its chance to gain power.
I'm willing to bet that the Conservatives release an extremely voter friendly budget that would make the Coalition look like completely anti-Canadian D-bags if they vote it down in a confidence vote.
I think after last night, that the coalition has to realize by their performance that they have a lot of work to do to be considered anything other then a joke and a pain in the ass to Canada.
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I think that if the GG suspends Parliment that this coalition will have lost its chance to gain power.
I'm willing to bet that the Conservatives release an extremely voter friendly budget that would make the Coalition look like completely anti-Canadian D-bags if they vote it down in a confidence vote.
I think after last night, that the coalition has to realize by their performance that they have a lot of work to do to be considered anything other then a joke and a pain in the ass to Canada.
If I'm not mistaken, they probably won't even get to read the budget. My understanding is that the first opportunity for a confidence vote is the Throne Speech - which comes before the budget.
I think after last night, that the coalition has to realize by their performance that they have a lot of work to do to be considered anything other then a joke and a pain in the ass to Canada.
Except in Quebec and to the most die hard liberal/ndp members.
Reading that Rick Mercer rant, I'll just let him speak for me. He said what I have been trying to say since this began, only much better.
Rick Mercer for PM - he seems to have more common sense than the rest of these leaders combined.
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If I'm not mistaken, they probably won't even get to read the budget. My understanding is that the first opportunity for a confidence vote is the Throne Speech - which comes before the budget.
True, however they can be as detailed as they like in the throne speech. they can basically release the budget details in the throne speech.
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If I'm not mistaken, they probably won't even get to read the budget. My understanding is that the first opportunity for a confidence vote is the Throne Speech - which comes before the budget.
Some elements of the budget would be in the Throne Speech for sure the budget would be leaked by then and the opposition would be responsible for defeating it.
As conservative as I am, I can't see the GG proroguing parliament because the PM has no friends and is afraid of losing his job (plus there is a coalition ready to govern). Prorogation is there for emergencies like war or a natural disaster, not because a PM is scared of losing his job.
Harper really really messed up this time and I don't think anyone can save him.
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1) Prorougue - Parliment shuts down, however the GG lays conditions on the length, making Parliment come back early in Janurary instead of late in Janurary (most likely)
2) GG does nothing lets the confidence vote happen. (possible)
a) 10 Liberal/NDP/Bloc MP's stage a mini rebellion and just don't show up for the vote (slim chance)
b) Harper convinces 9 or more of the coalition members to cross the floor and gets his majority (no chance)
c) The coalition votes down the government Parliment falls.
1) GG grants the coalition government, we get no budget until late spring (unlikely at this point unless the Coalition can do one hell of a sell job)
2) GG dissolves Parliment and sends us to the polls government spending stops til after the election (most likely and least contraversial)
3) Harper approaches the Coalition hat in hand and negotiates an end to the crisis (unlikely)
4) Harper declares Marshall Law, lines up the members of the opposition and shoots them, declares himself Harper the 1st and begins building work camps to stimulate the economy. All industry gears for war.
Think thats it
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1) Prorougue - Parliment shuts down, however the GG lays conditions on the length, making Parliment come back early in Janurary instead of late in Janurary
2) GG does nothing lets the confidence vote happen.
The more I look into this whole thing, the more I wonder if this is just payback for Harper leading the no confidence vote against Martin.
Methinks the Liberals are still pretty pissed about that and, in typical Liberal fashion, are prepared to seek revenge at any cost. The problem they fail to see, however, is that the present day Conservative Government is nowhere even close to being in the disarray and turmoil that the Liberal Government was in, when it was defeated in 2005.
I think the Liberals would really like it if Canadians would just stfu and let them get their revenge, but Canadians have always been an a bit of annoying mosquito buzzing around the Grand Plans™ of the Liberals. Isn't that right, Mr. Chretien?
If only Dion had the physical strength to "choke a bitch" à la Chretien's impressive skills... but, alas, Dion's only strength is in the almighty do-over.
