2021 NHL Draft

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

And he wasn't a rapist. This was 100 percent consensual.

I just hate to see this slip off into some he's a rapist kind of thing. He pulled a stupid dude bro move and is/has paid for it.

It wasn't consensual. He isn't getting in trouble for sharing a photo with consent bud. She isn't performing the action if she knew she was being photographed and shared with his friends.

You're seeing more of this with revenge porn laws and now steallthing laws and cases making their way through the courts. Just like stealthing is rape by deceit, I have no problem calling #### like this assault or whatever you want to call it. It isn't a "dude bro move". And you pretending it's just a "dude bro" move to minimize the action is pretty disgusting in my opinion.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There seems to be a pretty good cliff after Sillinger/Lucius. Given our draft spot, I wouldn’t want to see them move down unless they somehow catch wind that Sillinger or Lucius are dropping.

Yeah, I have a feeling that unless we move up, the decision on who to draft will be made for Treliving as we seem right at the edge of the ledge. Of course, it depends on what surprised there are in the top 12. If Wallstedt and Cossa go before Treliving picks, it could get really interesting.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm just quoting scouts and the media that report on them. I guess the whole flipping NHL is ‘disingenuous and uneducated’. Sod you.



So you’re saying that the more uncertainty you face, the more you should bet that you know the right pick to make? Riiiiiiight.

Tell you what: Lanny made most of the argument for my position in post #1784 above. I didn't think it was necessary to repeat the whole thing to show that I'm not an idiot. Why don't you go and argue with him?

Well you're taking those quotes way out of context. No one anywhere is denying there's a lack of talent the like of McDavid or Lafreniere or even a Jack Hughes. But that's what they mean, there's no super stud at the tippy top of the Draft. Outside of the top 5 it's like any other draft. The uncertainty lies at the bottom half of the first round. This is where you'll see more over agers go than usual because they have a better read on them. That's why the 2nd round picks will be more valuable.

At least according to Tod Button.

So yeah, saying there's very little talent is a pretty disingenuous opinion. Especially if the information you're using is out of context.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well you're taking those quotes way out of context. No one anywhere is denying there's a lack of talent the like of McDavid or Lafreniere or even a Jack Hughes. But that's what they mean, there's no super stud at the tippy top of the Draft. Outside of the top 5 it's like any other draft….

So yeah, saying there's very little talent is a pretty disingenuous opinion. Especially if the information you're using is out of context.

Umm

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416097943606620160

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dammage79

There is no precision, and since there's "very little " high end talent....which seems pretty disingenuous and uneducated for an opinion, then you should value the high pick more for the best chance at landing one.

But it’s entirely possible that scout lists have bundles of 5+ players that they consider the same level. “Just take the high pick” doesn’t make any sense in that context, does it? So they trade down 4 spots to a team who had 1 player on their list at that spot, and the Flames would still be “taking their high pick”.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

It wasn't consensual. He isn't getting in trouble for sharing a photo with consent bud. She isn't performing the action if she knew she was being photographed and shared with his friends.

You're seeing more of this with revenge porn laws and now steallthing laws and cases making their way through the courts. Just like stealthing is rape by deceit, I have no problem calling #### like this assault or whatever you want to call it. It isn't a "dude bro move". And you pretending it's just a "dude bro" move to minimize the action is pretty disgusting in my opinion.

Ahh yes old captain holier than thou trots in with his mighty moral compass...

Under Swedish law, there was no crime committed (site the news story) until he attached her profile and bio . Add to that he has already been punished under their rule of law so what do you want?

I literally regurgitated the story's information . Its no defense of his actions and my argument is its a maturity issue and more over a hockey culture issue. So as long as he is truly remorseful, taking steps to correct the issue, he should get a 2nd chance.

But yes come on in and start labeling ppl once again with your stupid judgemental takes.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Umm

Uhm what.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ahh yes old captain holier than thou trots in with his mighty moral compass...

Under Swedish law, there was no crime committed (site the news story) until he attached her profile and bio . Add to that he has already been punished under their rule of law so what do you want?

I literally regurgitated the story's information . Its no defense of his actions and my argument is its a maturity issue and more over a hockey culture issue. So as long as he is truly remorseful, taking steps to correct the issue, he should get a 2nd chance.

But yes come on in and start labeling ppl once again with your stupid judgemental takes.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Uhm what.

Honest question based on these two responses. Do you actually read things you respond to?

[Jiri Hrdina]

My view is that, from Bob's list, is that there is a shelf at 17. Now it's unlikely that all 17 come off the board at that spot, but I think that your window to drop down is in the 17-20 range, and not much deeper.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dammage79

So yeah, saying there's very little talent is a pretty disingenuous opinion. Especially if the information you're using is out of context.

I said there was very little high-end talent. That naturally depresses the value of top picks, and the fact that so little is known about the players overall makes it likely that more good players will fall to the later rounds.

But hey, since you're obviously determined to read what you want me to have said instead of what I actually said, fill your boots. Go argue with the imaginary person you constructed in your head. You needn't address those arguments to the actual me.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Honest question based on these two responses. Do you actually read things you respond to?

Yes. You come in non chalantly and post 1 tweet about the draft like it's the majority of opinion and say uhm. Great, whats your point? Uhm what?

And my response to Oling is its own thing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yes. You come in non chalantly and post 1 tweet about the draft like it's the majority of opinion and say uhm. Great, whats your point? Uhm what?

And my response to Oling is its own thing.

You, random internet guy: “This draft is like any other draft, saying there is very little talent is disingenuous.”

Guy who actually covers drafts: “This is the worst draft I’ve covered from a talent perspective.”

Maybe check the “everything is normal” and “opinions different than mine are disingenuous” type stuff when there are clearly pros saying the same thing about how weak this draft is. That’s all.

Your response to Oling is it’s own thing. But you said described some taking a secret photo of a sex act “consensual” and typical “dude bro” stuff and then said you were just regurgitating the report. Which was pretty stupid, and why I was wondering if you’re actually reading this stuff or just posting on a guess.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ahh yes old captain holier than thou trots in with his mighty moral compass...

Under Swedish law, there was no crime committed (site the news story) until he attached her profile and bio . Add to that he has already been punished under their rule of law so what do you want?.

No crime was committed other than the crime he committed. Such insight.

Would you say you are a big Cosby fan too? He's been dealt with under the rule of law. Lot of pedos out there who spent just a couple days in prison, you cool with them watching your kids? No? It seems like you also care more than just law and legal punishment too then.

Law isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to morals. What this guy did was disgusting, he wasn't stealing a loaf of bread to save his family here and now dealing unjustly with the legal system. He didn't do something consensually and got lost in some weird legal quicksand. He got off easy, if he did it in Canada, he's looking up at 5 years. But again, there's more to morals than laws. And this isn't in any way, shape or form, a typical "dude bro move", it's absolutely despicable framing it that way. I mean, read up on Amanda Todd for Christ sake.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You, random internet guy: “This draft is like any other draft, saying there is very little talent is disingenuous.”

Guy who actually covers drafts: “This is the worst draft I’ve covered from a talent perspective.”

Maybe check the “everything is normal” and “opinions different than mine are disingenuous” type stuff when there are clearly pros saying the same thing about how weak this draft is. That’s all.

Your response to Oling is it’s own thing. But you said described some taking a secret photo of a sex act “consensual” and typical “dude bro” stuff and then said you were just regurgitating the report. Which was pretty stupid, and why I was wondering if you’re actually reading this stuff or just posting on a guess.

Sigh. Here we go.
The draft: one guy....ONE GUY out of all the pros reporting and forming opinions on the draft has this opinion. And you chose to use that as some sort of argument.

The consent thing:
Twisting my words on that post is fun for you isn't it?
The act he participated in with the girl was consensual. I shouldn't have to defend the very definition of that. Was it not? Taking a picture and sharing it under Swedish law was legal. So even if the picture taking act of the event wasn't consensual, it was perfectly legal. That's a different thing on its own and even Said that it was a Wild thing to me in that very post.

The fact you and other pot stirrers around here cannot grasp what a dude bro implies is equally as hilarious. But let me clear that up for since it appears to be a super important thing.

Dude Bro: ######bag. Hockey bros sharing their notches on their belts of puck bunny conquests. A well known long engrained behavior in hockey culture.

So, in closing your honor, my opinion was that it was a total dudebro thing and he got caught. Admitted he needed to correct the issue and deserved a second chance if he is truly remorseful.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

No crime was committed other than the crime he committed. Such insight.

Would you say you are a big Cosby fan too? He's been dealt with under the rule of law. Lot of pedos out there who spent just a couple days in prison, you cool with them watching your kids? No? It seems like you also care more than just law and legal punishment too then.

Law isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to morals. What this guy did was disgusting, he wasn't stealing a loaf of bread to save his family here and now dealing unjustly with the legal system. He didn't do something consensually and got lost in some weird legal quicksand. He got off easy, if he did it in Canada, he's looking up at 5 years. But again, there's more to morals than laws. And this isn't in any way, shape or form, a typical "dude bro move", it's absolutely despicable framing it that way. I mean, read up on Amanda Todd for Christ sake.

Yes yes, keep on villainizing me champ. You're such a numpty.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yes yes, keep on villainizing me champ. You're such a numpty.

If you think this guy was just being a "bro" with his actions that could face 5 years in prison in Canada and have lifetime ramifications for those involved (see Amanda Todd, her family and the millions of other victims like them), well I don't think I need to do much villainizing.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You, random internet guy: “This draft is like any other draft, saying there is very little talent is disingenuous.”

Guy who actually covers drafts: “This is the worst draft I’ve covered from a talent perspective.”

For three years it has been known this draft was going to be weak, definitely the worst in the past five. When you look to the depth of the next two, this is should have been a real hard one to get excited about. Beware the cottage hype industry.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

If you think this guy was just being a "bro" with his actions that could face 5 years in prison in Canada and have lifetime ramifications for those involved (see Amanda Todd, her family and the millions of other victims like them), well I don't think I need to do much villainizing.

Yes he was being a bro!! Holy #### wrap that around your pea brain for a second. And it didn't happen in Canada did it? Did it? Flipping numpty.

If you're going to tell me that these kids don't do this crap on the regular then you're just a naive little wish bag full of hopes and dreams.

Welcome to reality where a dark underbelly got exposed and one guy is going take the fall for it all. And for what? Taking a picture of a faceless person giving felatio to him? When 8m sure while that was happening his other dude bro teammates were sharing the same thing from their phones.

When other more noteworthy athletes continue to makes tens of millions of dollars after committed far worse crimes?

You think I'm morally aligned with that life or just an observer of the sad reality that is life? Clearly you think the former.

And you can violently go eff yourself with your Cosby take.

Seriously, eff off.

Like you're such a magnanimous POS I can't even describe how stupid you are.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yes he was being a bro!! Holy #### wrap that around your pea brain for a second. And it didn't happen in Canada did it? Did it? Flipping numpty.

My opinions on people's actions don't change much around borders. I mean, I wouldn't be cool with a Canadian grabbing a childbride in a place it's legal either..

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you're going to tell me that these kids don't do this crap on the regular then you're just a naive little wish bag full of hopes and dreams.

Sorry that I'm full of hopes and dreams instead of downplaying the seriousness of someone potentially ruining someone's life because of toxic masculinity and the sheer misogyny you've been showing.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Welcome.to reality where a dark underbelly got exposed and 9ne guy is going take the fall for it all. And for what? Taking a picture on a faceless person giving felatio to him?

Take the fall? Oh no, he might not be drafted in the first round after getting a fine! And maybe the world has this dark underbelly because ####heads like you think it's perfectly normally to take photos of women engaged in sexual acts without their consent?

Originally Posted by dammage79

When other more noteworthy athletes continue to makes tens of millions of dollars after committed far worse crimes?

Hey guys Hitler existed so no one else can be criticized!

Originally Posted by dammage79

And you can violently go eff yourself with your Cosby take.

Seriously, eff off.

Why? He dealt with the ####ty legal system all the same as your hero has. He should be one too.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My opinions on people's actions don't change much around borders. I mean, I wouldn't be cool with a Canadian grabbing a childbride in a place it's legal either..

Sorry that I'm full of hopes and dreams instead of downplaying the seriousness of someone potentially ruining someone's life because of toxic masculinity and the sheer misogyny you've been showing.

Take the fall? Oh no, he might not be drafted in the first round after getting a fine! And maybe the world has this dark underbelly because ####heads like you think it's perfectly normally to take photos of women engaged in sexual acts without their consent?

Hey guys Hitler existed so no one else can be criticized!


Why? He dealt with the ####ty legal system all the same as your hero has. He should be one too.

Yeah. Cool beans loser. I still stand by my previous statement from last year, If you ever spoke to me like this in real life I'd smack the tase out of your mouth. Imputent imp.