2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Mangiapane + pick/prospect for Nylander maybe?

That would need to be quite the prospect.

Nylander for Hanifin makes more sense, although Toronto likely doesn’t save enough cap.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That would need to be quite the prospect.

Nylander for Hanifin makes more sense, although Toronto likely doesn’t save enough cap.


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Nylander for Hanifin makes zero sense when you look at TO's left D depth chart.

[Monahammer]

TO doesn't make a good trade partner for us, though getting one of Marner or Nylander would be really nice.

I would do the Marner-Gaudreau trade: it does suck to take on more money but we get 3 extra years of control and get the RHS out of it.

Tkachuk-Monahan-Marner
Hall-Lindholm-Mangiapane
looks like dynamite to me!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

TO doesn't make a good trade partner for us, though getting one of Marner or Nylander would be really nice.

I would do the Marner-Gaudreau trade: it does suck to take on more money but we get 3 extra years of control and get the RHS out of it.

Tkachuk-Monahan-Marner
Hall-Lindholm-Mangiapane
looks like dynamite to me!

How do you fit that under the cap?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How do you fit that under the cap?

Marner also slides in as our 2 pairing RD.
He's young, it works.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How do you fit that under the cap?

Lol at the comment beneath this one, but no I did not even bother trying with the cap. As I mentioned it would look nice but doesn't seem realistic. Maybe if Lucic disappeared into nothingness and we were comfortable with rolling three rookie dmen all season long it could work.

Edit: Actually, it might work if Lucic develops equipment allergy or whatever

Obviously not complete, but I got to the desired top-6 with ~4 Mil to spare to upgrade my very green defense.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trading a 90-point winger making $6.75 and a top-4 dman for a 90-point winger making $11 and a 2nd-rounder doesn't make any sense to me.

That's fair, I was just accounting for the traditional TOR-CGY fleece factor. I also forgot that TOR had solidified their LD. I'll revise my hot-take to Marner for Gaudreau+cond. 2nd/3rd (throw some fun comparative conditions on it like Lucic/Neal - if Marner outscores Johnny by 5G and 10P it becomes a 2nd).

I'd rather have a 200ft Marner on a bad deal that extends/aligns with this team's window than pay Gaudreau or Hall $9M+ for a much longer term.


Mangiapane-Monahan-Marner
Tkachuk-Lindholm- [Hanifin return]
Bennett-Backlund-Dube
Lucic-Ryan-700k

Gio-Andersson
Vali-4M
Kylington-1M

[Jiri Hrdina]

Why would the leafs do that though?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How do you fit that under the cap?

Just get someone to keep putting itching powder in Lucic' equipment when he's not looking until he retires ala Marion Hossa?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why would the leafs do that though?

They owe us one. Killer and Phaneuf.

[FanIn80]

Backlund, Brodie, 1st, 1st —> Matthews

Gaudreau Matthews Tkachuk
Mangiapne Monahan Lindholm
Lucic Bennett Dube
Rinaldo Ryan WarmBody

[Poe969]

Brodie is a free agent so he has no trade value unless it's a late pick for his negotiating rights.

Since they eliminated the one week "courting" period, I wonder if teams are going to deal for players rights to see if they can work out a deal before UFA starts.

I can see the Flames trading a 5th or something for Hall's rights

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I can see the Flames trading a 5th or something for Hall's rights

They should do it before the draft lottery if they lose the play in.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Backlund, Brodie, 1st, 1st —> Matthews

Gaudreau Matthews Tkachuk
Mangiapne Monahan Lindholm
Lucic Bennett Dube
Rinaldo Ryan WarmBody

Same question - why would the leafs do that?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Same question - why would the leafs do that?

This isn't a commentary on the above proposals, but the Leafs will likely have to do something. They have over $33 million of cap allotted to their top 3 forwards and $40+ million to their top 4 forwards.....and now there is a flat cap and they have only $4 million cap space left with only 16 players signed.

They might find other ways to shed cap, but downgrading one of the big 3 or 4 to lesser players and saving cap while at the same time gaining futures might be one way they choose to go about it.

Also, trading Marner for Gaudreau is not a downgrade for them. They save over $3 million in cap, switch one of their RH forwards to a LH forward, and don't really lose F all on the ice because Gaudreau is every bit as good as Marner IMO. They only lose the age battle and 3 years of control.

[Harry Lime]

Toronto folks seem to think that one/two of the third line of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Kapanen would be the best way to make space without a massive change to the roster.

Two of those guys for a defenseman at a lesser salary than the two combined. That's where the Risto speculation was headed. Kerfoot and Johnsson headed the other way saves 1.9M, and then bring up Korshkov and Bracco. Buffalo can eat a million to make Toronto compliant and it works for both sides, with Ceci moving on and replacement level players on the fourth line.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Toronto folks seem to think that one/two of the third line of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Kapanen would be the best way to make space without a massive change to the roster.

Two of those guys for a defenseman at a lesser salary than the two combined. That's where the Risto speculation was headed. Kerfoot and Johnsson headed the other way saves 1.9M, and then bring up Korshkov and Bracco. Buffalo can eat a million to make Toronto compliant and it works for both sides, with Ceci moving on and replacement level players on the fourth line.

Yeah, I'm sure they'll try everything in their power to keep the big 4 together, but they were going to struggle to do that before the flat cap happened.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Toronto folks seem to think that one/two of the third line of Johnsson, Kerfoot and Kapanen would be the best way to make space without a massive change to the roster.

Two of those guys for a defenseman at a lesser salary than the two combined. That's where the Risto speculation was headed. Kerfoot and Johnsson headed the other way saves 1.9M, and then bring up Korshkov and Bracco. Buffalo can eat a million to make Toronto compliant and it works for both sides, with Ceci moving on and replacement level players on the fourth line.

That move also makes plenty of sense for Buffalo given they need a better 2C option and Kerfoot may be able to fill that hole. That said, they are doing a mega favor to a hated rival, so I think it will cost the leafs more than you're letting on. Kerfoot had a brutal year and Johnsson not so great either. Both those contracts could be seen as "dogs". Though both could also turn it around in a better situation. IMO a 1st would need to be coming from the TO side as well to make this worth it for Buffalo.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This isn't a commentary on the above proposals, but the Leafs will likely have to do something. They have over $33 million of cap allotted to their top 3 forwards and $40+ million to their top 4 forwards.....and now there is a flat cap and they have only $4 million cap space left with only 16 players signed.

They might find other ways to shed cap, but downgrading one of the big 3 or 4 to lesser players and saving cap while at the same time gaining futures might be one way they choose to go about it.

Also, trading Marner for Gaudreau is not a downgrade for them. They save over $3 million in cap, switch one of their RH forwards to a LH forward, and don't really lose F all on the ice because Gaudreau is every bit as good as Marner IMO. They only lose the age battle and 3 years of control.

But it doesn't solve the problem for them beyond the next 2 seasons. So it doesn't make sense to me for them to acquire another high skilled forward that only has 2 years remaining.
I also think Nylander will be the one to go eventually, but the price will be very steep.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This isn't a commentary on the above proposals, but the Leafs will likely have to do something. They have over $33 million of cap allotted to their top 3 forwards and $40+ million to their top 4 forwards.....and now there is a flat cap and they have only $4 million cap space left with only 16 players signed.

They might find other ways to shed cap, but downgrading one of the big 3 or 4 to lesser players and saving cap while at the same time gaining futures might be one way they choose to go about it.

Also, trading Marner for Gaudreau is not a downgrade for them. They save over $3 million in cap, switch one of their RH forwards to a LH forward, and don't really lose F all on the ice because Gaudreau is every bit as good as Marner IMO. They only lose the age battle and 3 years of control.

I doubt that Toronto believes that a Johnny is as good as Marner.


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