[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Can someone clarify the player comments. He said something about that part of the problem were "players he brought in"?

He was taking responsibility for players he brought in that they now feel didn't help the team. But it was a marked point that they were players he brought in. I think the finger will and should automatically point to Brouwer. But I think he still launches a foundation player from a cannon.

Accountability was the big thing in that presser and he put the players in on that.

[Dion]

[Shazam]

Well if they're blowing it up I have dibs on Monahan's dismembered left arm.

[djsFlames]

Big Brad Tree. He got more processes than a central processing unit, yo.

[TheIronMaiden]

Sculpting the lineup is a normal part of the development of every franchise. Not all changes need to be dramatic to have a positive impact.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

None of this means anything if Treliving doesn't get this next hire right.

This decision is going to be huge.

Two years since the last hire. Really can't put into words how disappointed I am right now and not a lot of faith in him anymore.

Disappointed today? I'm relieved, hopeful, excited. Curious why today of all days you'd be disappointed.

Hopefully Treliving learned a lot about hiring coaches from the way this coaching hire failed. I haven't lost faith in Treliving, his positive moves still outnumber his negatives by a fair margin IMO. I had lost complete faith in Gulutzan though. Today Treliving made the right move. Disappointment doesn't seem like the appropriate emotion for today.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

What's the required number of draft picks that one has to have to be considered as still rebuilding?

This team is not a finished product with how young it's core is, and development isn't linear.

The fact we missed the playoffs this season is disappointing, but nowhere near "blow it up" territory.

One in the first 4 rounds would be nice.

Sorry man, you're not trading 1st round picks and multiple 2nds when you're rebuilding.

The rebuild is genuinely over. We've made the playoffs (twice) since the 'rebuild' started.

Its over man. This isnt an Edmonton 'Perpetual Rebuild.'

Making the playoffs, trading assets, not lottery protecting our 1st. It all points to management feeling that this is a playoff team.

That didnt make the playoffs.

That buck tends to stop with the coach.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

As far as I'm aware, there is no set definition of what a rebuild is or how long it takes, so where it ends is entirely subjective.

But the suggestion we might need to blow it up because we missed the playoffs this season is lunacy.

When you're trading away future assets to compete now. That's where it ends.

I'm not saying we need to blow it up, but I'm also not lying to myself that we're still rebuilding. Now Treliving has to make adjustments to a normal roster with normal contracts after trading away a bunch of picks.

If I was forced to use the world "rebuild" in describing the state of this team, it would be "trying to salvage a rebuild".

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think the coaching change sort of speaks for itself doesn't it?

Yeah read between the lines people.

Changing coaches now kind of hints he was disappointed in a lot of the following:
-special teams
-player usage
-leadership and motivation
-systems

I mean we'll probably never know which he was most disappointed in but I think its safe to say Glen disappointed in several of these areas if not all.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Disappointed today? I'm relieved, hopeful, excited. Curious why today of all days you'd be disappointed.

Hopefully Treliving learned a lot about hiring coaches from the way this coaching hire failed. I haven't lost faith in Treliving, his positive moves still outnumber his negatives by a fair margin IMO. I had lost complete faith in Gulutzan though. Today Treliving made the right move. Disappointment doesn't seem like the appropriate emotion for today.

Couldn't agree more. For the first time in months, I actually feel tentatively hopeful.

[tkflames]

We learned two things about the media today. Spector knows nothing...especially not about the Flames. Boomer, when he choses to weigh in, does have some inside knowledge...full credit to him.

[Skyceman]

BT is subtle but you can glean some things from his words:

"there was a continuity need"

"for the players to get to a level this change was needed"

"You cant NOT make a decision either"

"to move forward it had to be done"

"lack of depth was also an issue"

"coach experience is critical in this league"

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Disappointed today? I'm relieved, hopeful, excited. Curious why today of all days you'd be disappointed.

Hopefully Treliving learned a lot about hiring coaches from the way this coaching hire failed. I haven't lost faith in Treliving, his positive moves still outnumber his negatives by a fair margin IMO. I had lost complete faith in Gulutzan though. Today Treliving made the right move. Disappointment doesn't seem like the appropriate emotion for today.

I'm disappointed because two years ago Treliving hired a coach and has already had to fire him. He's 0 for 1 in coach hiring.

I'm hopeful that he gets it right this time, but not nearly as optimistic as I was two years ago in his abilities.

We've had two years of the current young core go by and not a single playoff win to show for it.

Hopefully it gets better, but I'm not overly confident at this point.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by direwolf

He should be on the Fan shortly, so hopefully he'll get into some more detail.

Do you expect the Fan guys to actually ask the interesting burning questions that will give us any insight? You just know they'll stay well within his comfort zone of everything but the stuff we want to know about.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I thought that was a terrible presser. First time I've really questioned BT and his style. I hate double ended statements like I take responsibility but the coach had to go, but he was a great coach, but we needed to make a change, but i'm responsible, but this was the way forward.

He couldn't be a little more positive on the way forward and the reason why? Please. What does he have to lose by weighing in on the decision making process at this point.

He's trying to be a nice guy and not completely throw them under the bus.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Locke

One in the first 4 rounds would be nice.

Sorry man, you're not trading 1st round picks and multiple 2nds when you're rebuilding.

The rebuild is genuinely over. We've made the playoffs (twice) since the 'rebuild' started.

Its over man. This isnt an Edmonton 'Perpetual Rebuild.'

Making the playoffs, trading assets, not lottery protecting our 1st. It all points to management feeling that this is a playoff team.

That didnt make the playoffs.

That buck tends to stop with the coach.

I think it's ridiculous to put a time frame on when and how much success is due after a rebuild... and again, we get back to you suggesting it might be time to blow it up again as the item I took particular issue with.

It's a very young core. I think they made the right call changing the coach and expect we'll see improvement next year as our key players mature, outlining again, that development and growth isn't linear.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Francis hinting at Peters so I guess that means he's out.

He's not out until Spector says he's in.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Just for argument sake, because I have quite a few guys I want ahead of Peters, the same thinking could’ve been applied to Jack Adams front runner Gerard Gallant.

2.5 seasons in Columbus = 56-76-6 and no playoffs.

1.5 seasons in Florida = 58-36-10 one playoff season, upset in the first round.

Not exactly a sparking resume, yet was still highly thought of and now looks elite.

The other thing that caught my attention is after the experienced comment he had a line about experienced in the league. I guess it can be taken a couple different ways. Straight NHL coaching or NHL playing and coaching experience which has me thinking Peters isn't completely ruled out.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Do you expect the Fan guys to actually ask the interesting burning questions that will give us any insight? You just know they'll stay well within his comfort zone of everything but the stuff we want to know about.

You're probably right, but people tend to be a bit more candid when they're not standing in front of a podium in front of a bunch of cameras.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by edn88

I'd love Darryl back here as head coach. We had better win the cup right away though. I think he has a 5 year window.

Hopefully better than the last two year window we just experienced.