2018 NFL thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

Packers have probably wasted Rodgers career worse than the Colts wasted Peyton's. Just a mismanaged franchise for most of his career.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by cross16

I know PFF has him highly ranked but that's mostly due to interceptions, only 1 of which was really a good play by Ha Ha and the other 2 were lucky (ie Smith threw one right to him in Washington). He isn't terrible, but every game this year you can make a cut up of game breaking mistakes he makes and in just about every game this year he's given up a touchdown mostly because he's so tentative in coverage. The Packers are not going to miss him near as much as most think so thus why I don't agree with the idea that it's not a good look. Montgomery was going to be cut anyway so the fact they got something for him is pretty surprising.

Packers ability to win and compete this season rests on Rodgers and their offence breaking out not on their D (which is only OK at best and will remain as such without any type of pass rush talent). Their formula didn't change based on the deadline.

I'm Aware that the Packers go as far as Rodgers takes them, but the guy cant be relied upon to do absolutely everything (although he is) and getting rid of playmakers just seems to be an odd decision. However a 4th seems like a good haul for a UFA

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Packers have probably wasted Rodgers career worse than the Colts wasted Peyton's. Just a mismanaged franchise for most of his career.

Yes, every year when Ted Thompson would never deviate and acquire talent through free agency was frustrating to watch. how long has it been since that D has been anything other than a tire fire and yet they kept genius Dom Capers all the while asking Rodgers to put up 35 a game.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Packers have probably wasted Rodgers career worse than the Colts wasted Peyton's. Just a mismanaged franchise for most of his career.

I think that's a bit extreme. He's had some players around him. I think the Packers have been a bit frugal by not really doing much in free agency. Take away most teams QB of that calibre and the team will falter. The Patrots are the one exception.

Andrew Luck...now there's a guy who's having his career wasted.

[Erick Estrada]

It sounds like barring a big playoff run McCarthy will not likely be coaching the Packers next season anyway. It will be interesting to see who the organization targets for their new head coach.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think that's a bit extreme. He's had some players around him. I think the Packers have been a bit frugal by not really doing much in free agency. Take away most teams QB of that calibre and the team will falter. The Patrots are the one exception.

Andrew Luck...now there's a guy who's having his career wasted.

Peyton had some players around him too. The problem is the Colts built the team the wrong way, they invested more in skill players than in trench players. If the Patriots should always be commended for anything, it's recognizing the value of the lines. Probably very few seasons since 2002 the Pats haven't had a top half of the league OLine and DLine. Packers have consistently had mediocre or worse lines on both sides during Rodgers. Rodgers escapability and on the run throwing helps overcome a lot of that.

Of course there's a common pill popping, alcohol swilling, open-mic night singing denominator in Luck and Peyton. Not exactly a great owner.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Peyton had some players around him too. The problem is the Colts built the team the wrong way, they invested more in skill players than in trench players. If the Patriots should always be commended for anything, it's recognizing the value of the lines. Probably very few seasons since 2002 the Pats haven't had a top half of the league OLine and DLine. Packers have consistently had mediocre or worse lines on both sides during Rodgers. Rodgers escapability and on the run throwing helps overcome a lot of that.

Of course there's a common pill popping, alcohol swilling, open-mic night singing denominator in Luck and Peyton. Not exactly a great owner.

That is patently false.

The Oline has been one of the strongest parts of the team for most years of Rodgers career. They have run into serious injury issues a couple of those seasons, but for the most part they have been stellar.

The defense, almost unequivocally has been the issue for the club. ever since they let Charles Woodson walk, they simply haven't been the same.

[cross16]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is patently false.

The Oline has been one of the strongest parts of the team for most years of Rodgers career. They have run into serious injury issues a couple of those seasons, but for the most part they have been stellar.

The defense, almost unequivocally has been the issue for the club. ever since they let Charles Woodson walk, they simply haven't been the same.

To be fair there was a couple season there, during the Clifton to Bakthari transition were LT was a big problem for them but overall I agree the line hasn't been the issue. That's probably the only spot where Thompson consistantly got it right (Bakhtari, Taylor, Linsley, Tretter, Buluga, Sitton, Lang) all drafted under his watch.

Packers have let down Rodgers, mostly Thompson with his staunch draft and develop strategy and refusal to use any other means to improve his team despite OBVIOUS deficiencies, but bad luck and injuries have played a part too. The Seattle Loss in the NFC championship game probably doesn't happen with a healthy Rodgers, or a stupid play by a 3rd string TE, and the year prior I think they beat SF if Rodgers doesn't miss so much time with the collarbone.

Personally I view the Clinton dix trade as a sign they are moving forward, not stuck in their old ways but I also see its a polarizing trade. Clinton Dix is to the Packers and Packer fans, what TJ Brodie is to most Flames fans.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by cross16

Clinton Dix is to the Packers and Packer fans, what TJ Brodie is to most Flames fans.

I get that, but the difference is the timing. You trade your Brodie when you rebuild, not when you're trying to compete for a playoff spot, especially when the Packers dont have a young, aspiring player pushing HCD out.

They just received a 4th round pick (great return) to go from a below average to secondary to a Raiders-esque secondary. I'm just curious how you sell that to AR

[cross16]

Originally Posted by DropIt

I get that, but the difference is the timing. You trade your Brodie when you rebuild, not when you're trying to compete for a playoff spot, especially when the Packers dont have a young, aspiring player pushing HCD out.

They just received a 4th round pick (great return) to go from a below average to secondary to a Raiders-esque secondary. I'm just curious how you sell that to AR

The difference is in how you view the player. How many would view a trade of Brodie as addition by subtraction or at the least a net neutral move? That's the Packers rational here, that losing Clinton Dix does not move the needle on how good/bad their secondary is (their corners are far from below avg BTW) and based on how he has played it's not hard to disagree with them on that. They've also got 2 young players, including a 2nd round pick, they want to give a shot to.

Rodgers is soon to be 35 and surrounded by a team that clearly isn't good enough to most people. I don't think its a difficult sell to say now we've got extra picks, a front office who has promised to be more aggressive, and a staff that had a very promising first draft to get some help in here to give you another run. Trading Clinton Dix doesn't move the needle for this year but the 4th round pick could help them next year and beyond.

It comes down to how Clinton Dix is viewed because clearly people outside the Packers have a higher opinion based on his past and his draft pedigree. Maybe he winds up like some other DBs the Packers let go but from what i've watched the last 2 years he isn't that big a loss and most that follow the Packers feel the same way. There is a non zero chance that the Packers can improve at Safety with Clinton Dix gone.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Whatever the hell a Nick Mullens is will be starting tonight for the 49ers. Tonight on paper is maybe the worst game in NFL history.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Whatever the hell a Nick Mullens is will be starting tonight for the 49ers. Tonight on paper is maybe the worst game in NFL history.

I was reading somewhere that it's statistically the worst primetime game in NFL history.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I was reading somewhere that it's statistically the worst primetime game in NFL history.

heard on the radio its the worst prime time game as far as records go since the AFL/NFL merger.

That was 52 years ago.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Whatever the hell a Nick Mullens is will be starting tonight for the 49ers. Tonight on paper is maybe the worst game in NFL history.

The Raiders D made him look like a future hall of famer on the first drive though! It’s a real shame to see how bad they are this year.

[DropIt]

I really hope the Raiders lose to this no named guy. What an atrocious team

[devo22]

lol that Raiders D is ridiculously bad. Mullens having a nice, stress-free debut so far.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I had pretty low expectations for the Raiders, but I never imagined they would suck this much. If the Gruden experiment fails, the Raiders could be looking at another decade of futility.

[DropIt]

Oakland is week 9/180 into Grudens tenure... I'm sure it will fly by

[Joborule]

Woof Raiders.

[DropIt]

So...

Did EE and Rube make that 6 or 8 game Oakland bet?