2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

Jamie McGinn? Really?

He's a useful player. 2nd/3rd line power forward. The type of player you'd like to add for the playoffs.

Have you watched Buffalo much this year? McGinn's looked good to me. Wouldn't mind if the Flames looked at giving him an offer this summer as an UFA.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Some offensive production?

He is 24th in the league in points over the last 2 seasons.

24th.

That puts him ahead of names like Toews, Bergeron, Zetterberg, Spezza...

and every member of the Oilers (among other teams)

What he did last season is largely irrelevant particularly since it was way beyond his normal production. Teams aren't trading for 2015 Hudler. They are trading for the guy they've seen this season

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

What he did last season is largely irrelevant particularly since it was way beyond his normal production. Teams aren't trading for 2015 Hudler. They are trading for the guy they've seen this season

Uh, why not?

He's established himself in the past, 2014-15 aside, as a consistent 50-point player. Couldn't a team like Florida or Pittsburgh or really any playoff team use another 50-point scorer on the wing?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by heep223

Pretty safe to say most GMs would love a $4M 50pt+ experienced RW for the stretch and playoffs. The "win now" teams. Hudler has value even as a rental.

I guess we will find out. All of chatter so far has been for a second or third round pick. I understand where it is coming from and I don't take it for Gospel. But given what we got for Glencross and what we didn't get for Cammalleri a second or third may not be that far off.

[wretched34]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think what hurts Hudler is he isn't fast and he isn't big. Teams are looking to add guys to take on certain teams that have those advantages. Hudler can give you some offensive production, but the fact that he's under-sized and slowing down makes him a secondary choice for teams. I think his value is about a 2nd and no more.

While I agree, Hudlers' size is underwhelming, I don't think it hurts him when playing bigger teams.
I took a look at this years stats.
Playoff teams are worried about playoff teams.
Currently, the teams in the Playoffs as of right now, are: FLA, TB, BOS, WSH, NYR, NYI, DET, PIT, in the East.
This season, the Flames have played a combined 13 games against those teams, and Hudler has 3 goals, 8 Assists, for a 0.85PPG.
In the west, you have: DAL, CHI, STL, LA, ANA, SJ, NSH, COL
The flames have played these teams 18 times combined, Hudler has 3 goals, and 7 assists in those games for 0.55PPG.
Further to your point, that teams are looking for guys to play against the bigger, faster teams, I looked more closely at the playoff teams, I see as the "Bigger" "Faster" teams.
BOS, WSH, NYI, STL, LA, ANA, SJ
Of those teams, the Flames have played them a combined 15 times this season, and Hudler has 5 goals, and 7 assists, making him a 0.8PPG scorer against the "Big" Fast" teams.

I don't see his size really being all that important, much like Gaudreau, but obviously not on the same level, Hudler seems to play better against the bigger faster teams, by slowing the game down, and creating space, by drawing opponents towards himself.

I think Treliving will get a pretty solid return on Hudler by Monday. Or, atleast I hope he does.

[chockfullofgoodness]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think what hurts Hudler is he isn't fast and he isn't big. Teams are looking to add guys to take on certain teams that have those advantages. Hudler can give you some offensive production, but the fact that he's under-sized and slowing down makes him a secondary choice for teams. I think his value is about a 2nd and no more.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised come deadline day. Hudler gets us a first. I will put money on that. (Up to 20 bucks. All proceeds going to CP of course) You underestimate his market value.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Uh, why not?

He's established himself in the past, 2014-15 aside, as a consistent 50-point player. Couldn't a team like Florida or Pittsburgh or really any playoff team use another 50-point scorer on the wing?

I just don't see how an undersized, career average 50 point winger nets you a huge return.

I suspect many of us will be disappointed.

[Knut]

Bob Mckenzie
It's believed EDM has traded Nilsson to STL in exchange for a mid-round draft pick. Possibly a 4th or 5th rounder.

[druetetective]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I guess we will find out. All of chatter so far has been for a second or third round pick. I understand where it is coming from and I don't take it for Gospel. But given what we got for Glencross and what we didn't get for Cammalleri a second or third may not be that far off.

What chatter?

Have any analysts speculated what his return might be? Friedge? Bob.M?

I don't have twitter so I'm genuinely asking.

[The Original FFIV]

Calgary Flames GM Brad Treliving is fielding calls for a number of his players, including forward Jiri Hudler and defenseman Kris Russell.
Hudler and Russell are in the final year of their respective contracts and can become unrestricted free agents July 1.

Several teams have expressed interest in both players, including the Los Angeles Kings, New York Islanders and Florida Panthers.
It's believed the Pittsburgh Penguins and Minnesota Wild are also interested in Hudler, while the Dallas Stars and Tampa Bay Lightning appear to have interest in Russell, who is currently injured.
The unclear what the Flames are looking for in exchange for either player, but a high-draft pick and a prospect is the expected going rate for each athlete.
In addition to Hudler and Russell, are Flames are entertaining calls on forwards David Jones, Joe Colborne and Josh Jooris, and goaltender Jonas Hiller.
Jones and Hiller are also set to become unrestricted free agents July 1, while Colborne and Jooris can become restricted free agents this summer.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cgy160227.html

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by druetetective

What chatter?

Have any analysts speculated what his return might be? Friedge? Bob.M?

I don't have twitter so I'm genuinely asking.

It was speculated as a third for Hudler by Francis and Shannon and a second by Mirtle. Nothing concrete and from nobody I'm the upper echelons of credibility. Francis was speculating a first for Russell.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by kehatch

It was speculated as a third for Hudler by Francis and Shannon and a second by Mirtle. Nothing concrete and from nobody I'm the upper echelons of credibility. Francis was speculating a first for Russell.

An important distinction here is that Shannon and Francis said they thought he'd return a 3rd. Mirtle said they were asking for a second

[GranteedEV]

I still think Hudler returns a 1st. If for no other reason than he's one of the best tip-men in the league not named Pavelski.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I still think Hudler returns a 1st. If for no other reason than he's one of the best tip-men in the league not named Pavelski.

[dammage79]

I could live with FLA 2016 1st and say Juho Lammiko from FLA. Big winger with good IQ and vision.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Just saying: The fact they are protecting Russell but don't seem to be caring too much about Hudler getting injured seems to hint that Hudler has a lot less trade value.

I don't see it that way at all, I would bet if Russell was close to 100% he wouldn't be sitting either. If the roles were reversed and Hudler had been nursing an injury and Russell was close to 100% it would be Russell playing and Hudler in the pressbox.

[Strange Brew]

Today is the day. Atleast one Flames trade gets announced I'm thinking.

And with his recent play Hudlers value is atleast up to a 2nd I believe.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I just don't see how an undersized, career average 50 point winger nets you a huge return.

I suspect many of us will be disappointed.

But a creative, veteran playmaker with Cup-winning experience might

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Today is the day. Atleast one Flames trade gets announced I'm thinking.

And with his recent play Hudlers value is atleast up to a 2nd I believe.

Eriksson is holding up the f market. Once his status is known I think we will start to see f rentals fly off the shelves.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
I'd think NJD/CAR more likely to sell than buy now. So names Stempniak, Schlemko, E Staal, Ward, Versteeg, Liles etc likely to be heard more