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Old 08-03-2015, 08:52 AM   #1801
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The controversy over players stealing signs is one of those things where you gauge the intelligence of players and fans via their opinion on it:

1. "OMG They're stealing our signs! Cheaters! Jerks!" = idiot
2. "What's the big deal?" = not idiot

Can't remember the last time I was this excited for a Jays game. It might be '93.
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Old 08-03-2015, 09:05 AM   #1802
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I don't get it. How come everytime a manager/coach or players started arguing with the umpire they are automatically tossed out? I noticed this even when the umpire makes a bad call. Is this an ego trip or just too much power by the umpire? Was the argument really full of swearing, name calling and just yelling or just asking for explanation?

Anyways, i've only seen the news on the Jays-Royals game and from what I've seen I thought the umpire totally lost the game. Kansas City Royals' pitchers have a reputation of intentionally hitting the batter. When Donaldson got hit the first time, it was good he warned both teams but he didn't follow through his warning when Volquez threw the ball close to Donaldson's head. Then later on another batter got hit but nothing was done. Really dumb to warn teams and not follow through. No wonder we see a lot of bench brawl(well not really bench brawl because there was no punch throw) in MLB.
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Old 08-03-2015, 09:58 AM   #1803
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I spend most of my time in Houston and have turned into an Astros fan (who look really good this year BTW). so admittedly don't follow the Jays that closely.

But was this really the right time to go all in? Still 7 games back in the loss column for the division which is a lot to make up beginning in August. The wild card is a total crapshoot with so many teams in the chase, and then the WC game itself.

I guess it comes down to two things:

The team is desperate to win after so many years of no playoffs.

Their run differential is excellent so maybe management believed they were already better than their record indicated.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:03 AM   #1804
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Yeah, the run differential says they are a better team than their record

Their offence is historically good.

The core is there, with Donaldson, Bautista, EE

Buerle an Dickey are only here for this season I believe

Bottom line is that this was an otherwise really good team that blatantly lacked a true #1. By adding Price and bolstering the bullpen, the Jays have to be considered as good as any team in the American League.

Is it too late to catch the Yankees? Probably. But with wildcards, who really cares? Just get in.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:05 AM   #1805
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And 22 years.
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Plus if you get into the one game showdown - Price is one of the guys you'd want taking the bump in all of baseball. That's why his acquisition is important.
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Yeah, the run differential says they are a better team than their record

Their offence is historically good.

The core is there, with Donaldson, Bautista, EE

Buerle an Dickey are only here for this season I believe

Bottom line is that this was an otherwise really good team that blatantly lacked a true #1. By adding Price and bolstering the bullpen, the Jays have to be considered as good as any team in the American League.

Is it too late to catch the Yankees? Probably. But with wildcards, who really cares? Just get in.
Dickey has a team option that I would expect to be picked up, even if they are able to re-sign Price which I am trying to be realistic about but if ever there was a guy I wanted them to open the vault for ... and with Buehrle's money coming off the books ...

As for the Yankees, man they're playing good but the Jays do have 13 games left against them ... I know it's not probable but it's possible.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:43 AM   #1808
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If the Jays can take 3 out of 4 in NY this weekend, it's game on.

But first, they have to take at least 2 of 3 against Minny.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:50 AM   #1809
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Right now I think consistently winning 2 out of every 3 is what the Jays need to do. If they were to go 20-10 in their next 30 they are easily in the Wild Card game, and possible within a couple games of the Yankees. But they need a sustained run to really push them past the break even mark.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:57 AM   #1810
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:03 AM   #1811
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Today is a key game.

1) You want Price getting off to a good start and get rolling.

2) Obviously if they win, they have caught Minny

3) If Minny wins, not only did they dodge the Price bullet, but they guarantee that they are leaving Toronto still at least tied with them.

Edit: apparently this is a 4 game series, not 3, so point #3 doesn't apply. Nonetheless...

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Old 08-03-2015, 11:04 AM   #1812
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lol @ Greg Zaun's rant against Ventura. That was an epic way to start this day!
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everyone's pumped up!
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:13 AM   #1814
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lol @ Greg Zaun's rant against Ventura. That was an epic way to start this day!
What a lousy week to be in the States and not get the Sportsnet coverage - which is the best in baseball, IMO.

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What a lousy week to be in the States and not get the Sportsnet coverage - which is the best in baseball, IMO.

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you're in luck

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Old 08-03-2015, 11:18 AM   #1816
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I thought Zaun was reading a fan letter? Either way it was awesome to watch.
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:20 AM   #1817
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Haha the volume is pretty low but from the bits and pieces I listened to was pretty funny.
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:20 AM   #1818
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I think they said Zaun wrote the letter himself
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:26 AM   #1819
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So, that Price guy is pretty good, and whether or not the Jays score in the bottom of the first, they are forcing Santana to throw a lot of pitches.
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:31 AM   #1820
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So, that Price guy is pretty good, and whether or not the Jays score in the bottom of the first, they are forcing Santana to throw a lot of pitches.
I haven't heard anything like that in all my years watching the Jays. That first inning crowd sounded like most 9th inning, 'up by one run' crowds.
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