01-02-2026, 10:13 AM
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#18141
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roko
Apparently Minnesota still wanting to add a centre
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Would be a great fit with Rossi being moved to Vancouver. They've got rookie Danila Yurov playing on that top line and while he's an effective player he hasn't shown any offensive ability that warrants that top spot.
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01-02-2026, 10:16 AM
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#18142
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThief
Would be a great fit with Rossi being moved to Vancouver. They've got rookie Danila Yurov playing on that top line and while he's an effective player he hasn't shown any offensive ability that warrants that top spot.
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Only have a 27 1st in the first two rounds in the next two drafts. Although if you've got Hughes you may as well push your chips in. Kadri for that pick, make it so Conman.
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01-02-2026, 10:17 AM
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#18143
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018
Sure sounds like almost everyone on CP wants to move our vets and then let the season play out. Curious to get a full perspective from CP faithful on the level of patience we all have allowing Conroy to negotiate proper deal(s) and risk tolerating another mushy middle finish but also whether culture/playoffs may be worth more than a top pick.
The 3 main vets in question are Andersson, Coleman and Kadri.
Can we have a poll that is something like:
Add: Keep Andersson for rest of season and add before the trade deadline to make a serious run for playoffs since we are so close. No vets moved.
Hold: Keep Andersson for rest of season but dont add before trade deadline. No vets moved.
Rebiggle: Move Andersson before trade deadline with best offer but keep rest of the main vets even if a great offer for one or more. Culture and current competitiveness remain the priority.
Retool: Move 2 main vets before trade deadline with best offers but keep Coleman or Kadri at least to maintain vet culture.
Rebuild: Move all 3 main vets before trade deadline with best offers. Risk a better finish but get the best futures from our trades.
Fire sale: Move all 3 vets before Olympics even if offers are not stellar so we can fall down the standings as soon as possible.
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Lol the rebiggle option is the obvious path we are going down. They obviously should have done a fire sale after the start we had, but it is too late now and the owners won't allow it.
We basically have to hope Parekh ends up being an elite player, and some of our forward picks end up being way better than projected. Because I don't see how else we are acquiring 1st line players by finishing 15th every year.
Kadri and Coleman will never have more value than they do this year. Which is exactly why we will not trade them. It would be way too proactive and forward thinking for the dinosaurs Murray Edwards and Maloney to allow it.
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01-02-2026, 10:19 AM
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#18144
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Crash and Bang Winger
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“A Noble Rebiggle, Embiggens the smallest Rebuild” - Don Maloney
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01-02-2026, 10:23 AM
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#18145
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Lol the rebiggle option is the obvious path we are going down. They obviously should have done a fire sale after the start we had, but it is too late now and the owners won't allow it.
We basically have to hope Parekh ends up being an elite player, and some of our forward picks end up being way better than projected. Because I don't see how else we are acquiring 1st line players by finishing 15th every year.
Kadri and Coleman will never have more value than they do this year. Which is exactly why we will not trade them. It would be way too proactive and forward thinking for the dinosaurs Murray Edwards and Maloney to allow it.
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Let's send a strong message from CP faithful that a Rebiggle won't be tolerated especially if there is a nice return to be had from one or more vets. I fall in the Rebuild camp but can live with a Retool as I suspect Kadri won't allow a deal.
Lots of STHs amongst us who want to see some 1st line talent on the ice by the time the new building opens to justify our 30% ticket increases.
Our insiders and org staffers can pass on the message!
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01-02-2026, 10:25 AM
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#18146
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Participant 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Kadri and Coleman will never have more value than they do this year. Which is exactly why we will not trade them. It would be way too proactive and forward thinking for the dinosaurs Murray Edwards and Maloney to allow it.
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They’ll both probably have more value later.
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01-02-2026, 10:27 AM
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#18147
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Technically if they don’t want to leave they really don’t have much value, who wants to trade for someone that doesn’t want to be traded.
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01-02-2026, 10:28 AM
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#18148
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
They’ll both probably have more value later.
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You think a 35 year old and 34 year old asset, both having career type years are going to have more value after this season?
That is a very bold take, it is highly unlikely.
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01-02-2026, 10:28 AM
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#18149
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roko
Misa has analytically looked great at the WJC. He just has been held off the scoresheet. He is good. But also, sharks would never trade him this early i don’t think so it’s not worth discussing.
I’d love for a Misa for Andersson trade if it were realistic.
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He has 4 points in4 games, let’s not pretend he has been an offensive black hole. He has looked just fine. He will not be traded.
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01-02-2026, 10:30 AM
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#18150
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
You think a 35 year old and 34 year old asset, both having career type years are going to have more value after this season?
That is a very bold take, it is highly unlikely.
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Pepsi is an eternal optimist.
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01-02-2026, 10:46 AM
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#18151
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3 Wolves Short of 2 Millionth Post
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Originally Posted by kehatch
That's not true. The Flames have been out of the playoffs for 3 seasons and drafted 16, 9, 18 (15) in that time frame. But we are still built to be mediocre on the backs of guys like Kadri (35), Andersson (29), Backlund (36), Huberdeau (32), Weegar (31), Coleman (34) etc. But many here seem personally offended by the suggestion that the Flames should be more aggressive in moving veterans so we aren't perpetually mediocre.
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What’s absolutely wild is when you look at simple arithmetic averages it looks like the team is getting younger over the past two seasons; however, if you start digging into weighted averages (specifically weighted by time on ice) the flames have stayed the exact same age over the past three years (skaters excluding goalies through the first 40 games of each season).
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01-02-2026, 10:52 AM
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#18152
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Yeah it sucks but this just seems to be the perennial path for this organization. On one hand it's admirable to keep plugging away but on the other hand this organization isn't going anywhere and never has since 1989. The Flames are kind of like the Chargers of the NHL. Spend most of their decades accomplishing nothing while occasionally making the playoffs and being dispatched relatively easily. There's still time so hopefully they can deal Andersson sooner than later and maybe even Coleman as well if the offers are high. Drafting in the mushy middle and outside of the top 5 will be another season of nothing for this organization.
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I don't think that's 100% fair.
they had a solid core and a contending team for five years with Gaudreau, Giordano, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk.
Won two divisions. Had roughly 2 110 point seasons.
That's not plugging away.
Monahan got hurt. Covid hit and turned Americans against Canada and things fell apart as they do.
But this isn't a 90-95 point team every year.
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01-02-2026, 10:55 AM
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#18153
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
You think a 35 year old and 34 year old asset, both having career type years are going to have more value after this season?
That is a very bold take, it is highly unlikely.
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I don't think Coleman's value changes much between this year and next. Kadri I could see declining if he has a rough year next year.
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01-02-2026, 10:55 AM
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#18154
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Lol the rebiggle option is the obvious path we are going down. They obviously should have done a fire sale after the start we had, but it is too late now and the owners won't allow it.
We basically have to hope Parekh ends up being an elite player, and some of our forward picks end up being way better than projected. Because I don't see how else we are acquiring 1st line players by finishing 15th every year.
Kadri and Coleman will never have more value than they do this year. Which is exactly why we will not trade them. It would be way too proactive and forward thinking for the dinosaurs Murray Edwards and Maloney to allow it.
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Not obvious at all.
We have no idea what Conroy is thinking, what is price point is, what the current offers are, what the current offers will be, what injuries will take place, how the standings will play out.
Nothing.
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01-02-2026, 10:58 AM
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#18155
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
You think a 35 year old and 34 year old asset, both having career type years are going to have more value after this season?
That is a very bold take, it is highly unlikely.
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I think both players with less term could actually up their value.
That's not a ridiculous premise.
I'd worry more about Coleman personally, as he's playing lights out. I don't think he drops much next season in play, but his production may not be as fortunate.
Kadri isn't having the greatest of seasons so there certainly could be a decline concern, which is valid.
But another case could be made for a hot start next year and less term adding value.
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01-02-2026, 10:59 AM
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#18156
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I don't think that's 100% fair.
they had a solid core and a contending team for five years with Gaudreau, Giordano, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk.
Won two divisions. Had roughly 2 110 point seasons.
That's not plugging away.
Monahan got hurt. Covid hit and turned Americans against Canada and things fell apart as they do.
But this isn't a 90-95 point team every year.
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They had a solid core but I'm not sure they were ever consistent enough to be a true contender.
They had two seasons worthy of contender status (18-19, and 21-22) but were not a consistent contender in that 6 year stretch.
If you look at the 6 year stretch that should have been the peak of the Gaudreau / Monahan era from 16-17 to 21-22 they were a playoff team 4/6 years, only out of the 1st round once, and never out of the 2nd round, to me that doesn't qualify as a contender.
They averaged 95 points per 82 games over those 6 seasons, and that ranked 13th in the NHL (.584)
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01-02-2026, 11:00 AM
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#18157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Not obvious at all.
We have no idea what Conroy is thinking, what is price point is, what the current offers are, what the current offers will be, what injuries will take place, how the standings will play out.
Nothing.
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I keep saying - the trade proposals discussed on here demonstrate how hard it is to find a match with a team, let alone make a decent deal.
And I fail to see how it's obvious that the Flames are following this path. The only evidence is that they haven't made a trade yet, and it's only Jan 2.
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01-02-2026, 11:01 AM
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#18158
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
They had a solid core but I'm not sure they were ever consistent enough to be a true contender.
They had two seasons worthy of contender status (18-19, and 21-22) but were not a consistent contender in that 6 year stretch.
If you look at the 6 year stretch that should have been the peak of the Gaudreau / Monahan era from 16-17 to 21-22 they were a playoff team 4/6 years, only out of the 1st round once, and never out of the 2nd round, to me that doesn't qualify as a contender.
They averaged 95 points per 82 games over those 6 seasons.
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Inconsistent for sure ... but you don't win two division titles with mirrors. Had the best line in hockey for one of them.
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01-02-2026, 11:10 AM
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#18159
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kehatch
That's not true. The Flames have been out of the playoffs for 3 seasons and drafted 16, 9, 18 (15) in that time frame. But we are still built to be mediocre on the backs of guys like Kadri (35), Andersson (29), Backlund (36), Huberdeau (32), Weegar (31), Coleman (34) etc. But many here seem personally offended by the suggestion that the Flames should be more aggressive in moving veterans so we aren't perpetually mediocre.
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Who here is offended at the idea of moving vets? I can't think of anyone who has even hinted at that?
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01-02-2026, 11:12 AM
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#18160
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I don't think that's 100% fair.
they had a solid core and a contending team for five years with Gaudreau, Giordano, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk.
Won two divisions. Had roughly 2 110 point seasons.
That's not plugging away.
Monahan got hurt. Covid hit and turned Americans against Canada and things fell apart as they do.
But this isn't a 90-95 point team every year.
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It was an unusual team in many respects. Of those 5 years, they missed the playoffs twice plus the weird Covid season. They could not get themselves to be a consistent contender.
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