France:
Advance with win or tie
Advance with a loss by one goal.
Advance with ENG win or tie.
Advance with loss AND ENG loss by the same number of goals.
Eliminated with loss AND ENG loss AND lose by one more goal than ENG AND score the same number of goals (or less) as England.
Eliminated with loss AND ENG loss AND lose by two more goals than ENG
Otherwise advance with loss.
England:
Advance with win or tie
Advance with loss and FRA loss AND lose by one less goal then FRA AND score at least the same number of goals as France.
Advance with loss and FRA loss AND lose by two less goals than FRA
Ukraine:
Advance with Win
Eliminated with Tie or Loss
Sweden:
Cannot Advance.
France is by far the closest team to secure an advancement after two games played in any group, despite having only a win and a tie - as long as they do not lose by two goals, they will advance, and can advance even if they lose by two goals.
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So now that I'm in full conspiracy mode for Monday can anyone fill me in on some of the other famous examples of collusion?
Obviously 04 Euro (somewhat debatable I guess).
I know there is at least one more where the teams didn't even try, they straight up made it obvious they weren't going to score on each other and let the clock run down. (or whatever the scenario was)
I swear a few of them have been discussed on CP before.
So now that I'm in full conspiracy mode for Monday can anyone fill me in on some of the other famous examples of collusion?
Obviously 04 Euro (somewhat debatable I guess).
I know there is at least one more where the teams didn't even try, they straight up made it obvious they weren't going to score on each other and let the clock run down. (or whatever the scenario was)
I swear a few of them have been discussed on CP before.
This is the reason why tomorrow matches are played at the same time.
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The match was the last game of the first-round Group 2, with Algeria and Chile having played already the day before. With that game already decided, a win by one or two goals for West Germany would result in both sides qualifying, at the expense of Algeria, which had beaten Germany in the first game. After 10 minutes, Germany scored the 1–0 lead. As the game progressed, both teams seemed to be content with the result, giving the impression of both sides having an unspoken agreement to play for a 1–0 German win.
The direct consequence of the game was that from Euro 1984 and World Cup 1986 onward, the final pair of group matches in international tournaments always start at the same time.
I don't think the 2004 game was fixed. I watched that game and when Denmark was up 2-1 they had numerous chances to make it 3-1. They hit the post and Isaksson of Sweden made some great saves. Sweden were playing for their tournament lives and like in about 1000 games we've seen, they scored a goal late to secure a 2-2 tie and survive another day.
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Keane does have a point. Ireland does have a good pedigree. It has made a World Cup quarterfinal. It lost to Spain on penalties in the 2002 World Cup. How can they be this much worse than Spain in 10 years? It has a larger population than Croatia and Croatia are world beaters!
Being loveable can be great but we can see that the team this year doesn't have an edge.
Even back in 2009, they should have even beat that broken French team to qualify for the World Cup. They should have never lost the home leg, it never should have gotten to Henry's handball.
LOL!! Pedigree! They beat Romania on penalties to get to a QF .... once. and all of a sudden they've pedigree.
And your Croatia point/comparison ... what is it exactly? As I mentioned, soccer is about as big a sport in Ireland as it is in Canada. By your logic Canada should be world beaters too? Because ...... they've got more people than Croatia?
And re. how can they be this much worse than Spain in 10 years? It wouldn't just happen to be a case of Spain getting very good. Like a WC and EC good.
LOL!! Pedigree! They beat Romania on penalties to get to a QF .... once. and all of a sudden they've pedigree.
And your Croatia point/comparison ... what is it exactly? As I mentioned, soccer is about as big a sport in Ireland as it is in Canada. By your logic Canada should be world beaters too? Because ...... they've got more people than Croatia?
And re. how can they be this much worse than Spain in 10 years? It wouldn't just happen to be a case of Spain getting very good. Like a WC and EC good.
Hey they qualified for a 8-team, Euro 88 tournament! I just think they should have built on that. I know Spain got good but Ireland should have gotten good too.
Go back and watch that Ireland-Spain match in Suwon. Ireland went toe to toe, not like the beating they got last night.
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Hey they qualified for a 8-team, Euro 88 tournament! I just think they should have built on that. I know Spain got good but Ireland should have gotten good too.
Go back and watch that Ireland-Spain match in Suwon. Ireland went toe to toe, not like the beating they got last night.
As I said (again), it is just not a big sport in Ireland.
Spain got good therefore Ireland should have got good? Simple as that? Ok.
And as for the 88 Euros, afc wimbledon, diane, jimmy or NBC know more about that ......
Hey they qualified for a 8-team, Euro 88 tournament! I just think they should have built on that. I know Spain got good but Ireland should have gotten good too.
Go back and watch that Ireland-Spain match in Suwon. Ireland went toe to toe, not like the beating they got last night.
Population Republic of Ireland 4.5 million
Population Spain 47million
Top Irish Football Club Shamrock Rovers, Ground Capacity 9,000
Top Spanish Team, Real Madrid, Ground capacity 85,500
Your right Girly, the feckless bogtrotters have obviously been just sitting around drinking and wasting the days away when with a bit of the latin drive they clearly should have won a cup or two.
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None of the above stats have changed over the last 10 years. I'm just saying there were even 10 years ago. It shouldn't be this much of a discrepancy now.
Ireland is quite talented but doesn't have that edge. Ireland used to battle against any great power.
I've never seen Ireland lose 4-0 to anybody, ever.
I was agreeing with Keane. Ireland needs to give it's great fans something to really cheer about like in the past.
That great Dutch team that won it all in 88?
Ireland were 9 minutes from knocking them out. Losing to a weird goal.
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Last edited by GirlySports; 06-16-2012 at 01:08 AM.
So now that I'm in full conspiracy mode for Monday can anyone fill me in on some of the other famous examples of collusion?
Obviously 04 Euro (somewhat debatable I guess).
I know there is at least one more where the teams didn't even try, they straight up made it obvious they weren't going to score on each other and let the clock run down. (or whatever the scenario was)
I swear a few of them have been discussed on CP before.
Am I the only one amused that an Italy fan is throwing around accusations of match fixing?
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None of the above stats have changed over the last 10 years. I'm just saying there were even 10 years ago. It shouldn't be this much of a discrepancy now.
Ireland is quite talented but doesn't have that edge. Ireland used to battle against any great power.
I've never seen Ireland lose 4-0 to anybody, ever.
I was agreeing with Keane. Ireland needs to give it's great fans something to really cheer about like in the past.
That great Dutch team that won it all in 88?
Ireland were 9 minutes from knocking them out. Losing to a weird goal.
Ireland had a great goalie during those years, Bonner, and in short tournament soccer, like the euros or the world cup, a decent goalie is essential, hence Englands only world cup coming on Bank's back.
With a small population having a great goalie or a great striker is always going to be down largely to luck.
Football isn't even Irelands first sport, both hurley, gaelic football and rugby are equal or larger, to be frank it is a miracle they qualify at all.
None of the above stats have changed over the last 10 years. I'm just saying there were even 10 years ago. It shouldn't be this much of a discrepancy now.
Ireland is quite talented but doesn't have that edge. Ireland used to battle against any great power.
I've never seen Ireland lose 4-0 to anybody, ever.
I was agreeing with Keane. Ireland needs to give it's great fans something to really cheer about like in the past.
That great Dutch team that won it all in 88?
Ireland were 9 minutes from knocking them out. Losing to a weird goal.
They are not "quite talented". They are a very average group of individuals.
If you want a comparison regarding the 88 and 90 team that you mention let me give you Wimbledon under Vinnie Jones. A bunch of below average for their league footballers that collectively as a team had a self belief, no-nonsense, pack mentality that carried them to victories above their realm. Pretty to watch technically? No. But to watch as an example of how self belief , team work and pure hard work can perservere? Yes.
That's the main reason that the fans fell in love with that team, and that they were like a bunch of misfit mercenaries. Hell, it even turned out that Cascarino isn't even Irish by ancestry! Granted they had a bit more talent than todays team and having 2 centre backs like McGrath and Moran isn't a bad thing.
So, back to the analogy ... are you suggesting that Wimbledon should still be in the PL .... or Forest? They all are once in a generation special teams.
Odds on a 2-2 draw for Spain v Croatia are at 4-1 on bet 365. That is the lowest odds of any result, despite it typically being one of the less likely results.
Also, to my previous point about examples of collusion, I thought there was a time when Italy could have been screwed by collusion but weren't. Turns out it was the last Euro in 08.
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It is worth noting that Italy were frightened of a fishy conclusion to their Euro 2008 group, in which a Holland loss to Romania would have dumped them out and seen Romania follow Holland through. On that occasion, the Dutch won 2-0.
I seem to remember being fairly certain the Dutch would intensionally lose to eliminate the Italians and being pleasantly surprised when they beat Romania 2-0.
and all of a sudden they've pedigree. 
