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Old 11-24-2024, 11:32 PM   #1781
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They consider that a feature, not a bug.
There’s the quote about Trump’s GOP, “The cruelty is the point”…

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Took me two minutes to find out that you’ve been saying you’re a former progressive while dunking on progressives and justifying (to… someone… yourself I guess) why you’re a conservative now since you basically became a member.
…which makes we very wary of someone who claims to move from progressive to Trump supporter. How do you lose the empathy required to care about others and become an uncaring #######? New wealth can cause that kind of shift to the right but my money is on he’s full of ####.
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Old 11-25-2024, 08:05 AM   #1782
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You had a Republican president who didn't take Covid seriously, talked about how sunlight and maybe ingesting something might get rid of it, hummed and hawed for months instead of encouraging every American to get vaxxed asap (even turned Fauci into a villain), ended up as (I believe) only the 2nd President to leave office with a net negative job creation number while overseeing said pandemic...........and democrats have created 'long term damage' to the country?

Trump absolutely loves stuff like that. Never his fault. Always the victim. Amazing con man, I have to give him credit for that.
Trump was actually very pro COVID vaccine, and the vaccine didn't come out until several months after he left office. He was hoping it would be available before the election and he would get all the credit.

He saw any disruptions from COVID as a threat to his re-election, and his pushbacks from lockdowns and such were purely for selfish reasons.

The first 3 years, he ran the country like he does his companies. Leveraged to the tilt to generate the appearance of roaring success until it would eventually crash out. Even without COVID, economic consequences were coming from this approach.

There was nothing much Trump could have done one way or another in dealing with COVID that would have changed the economic impact of it at the end of 2020. Stricter lockdowns for the initial waves that lasted through the end of 2020 would have definitely saved a lot of lives. Instead all the red states took the approach that lockdowns were just a way to get rid of Trump and lots of people died.
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Old 11-25-2024, 10:05 AM   #1783
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Trump was actually very pro COVID vaccine.
One word. Ivermectine.

Trump was never pro vaccine. Ever. The only time he was pro-vaccine was when he got it and paxlovid to save his life. He was hopeful the vaccine would be completed under his watch, so he could claim some level of victory, but he and his administration dragged their feet and made the whole a response a ####show. If he was really very pro-vaccine he would have recommended his idiot followers go "get the jab" and not to take horse drugs, try aquarium cleaner, or inject bleach. Much of the disinformation about COVID came from the Trump White House, and people died as a result.
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One word. Ivermectine.

Trump was never pro vaccine. Ever. The only time he was pro-vaccine was when he got it and paxlovid to save his life. He was hopeful the vaccine would be completed under his watch, so he could claim some level of victory, but he and his administration dragged their feet and made the whole a response a ####show. If he was really very pro-vaccine he would have recommended his idiot followers go "get the jab" and not to take horse drugs, try aquarium cleaner, or inject bleach. Much of the disinformation about COVID came from the Trump White House, and people died as a result.
You numpties need to realize Trump isn't pro anything or against anything except what makes him money or famous, he doesn't give a bolloxs about illegal migrants (his companies have a long history of hiring them) he doesn't care about tariffs or vaccines, he is happy to be for and against any of them depending on what his idiot followers will vote for.

He has no principles or beliefs, he's frankly to stupid to understand what a hill to die on is, he's something of a racist but not even particularly committed to that
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One word. Ivermectine.

Trump was never pro vaccine. Ever. The only time he was pro-vaccine was when he got it and paxlovid to save his life. He was hopeful the vaccine would be completed under his watch, so he could claim some level of victory, but he and his administration dragged their feet and made the whole a response a ####show. If he was really very pro-vaccine he would have recommended his idiot followers go "get the jab" and not to take horse drugs, try aquarium cleaner, or inject bleach. Much of the disinformation about COVID came from the Trump White House, and people died as a result.
I know a fairly young couple and the female partner has cancer. The male partner is a medical doctor.

I shared this sad story with one of my American colleagues and he said have they tried ivermectin. I'm like wtf, no? And he's like ivermectin is literally a miracle drug. It works on everything. It got to a point where he was almost imploring me to ask them to try it. I'm like dude, the guy is a doctor, I'm not telling him how to go about the treatment for his wife ffs.

It's crazy how religion on politics have distorted people's minds (or brainwashed them even).
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You numpties need to realize Trump isn't pro anything or against anything except what makes him money or famous, he doesn't give a bolloxs about illegal migrants (his companies have a long history of hiring them) he doesn't care about tariffs or vaccines, he is happy to be for and against any of them depending on what his idiot followers will vote for.

He has no principles or beliefs, he's frankly to stupid to understand what a hill to die on is, he's something of a racist but not even particularly committed to that
We can never really know his positioning on issues because it often times is very fluid and he can change day to day but at one point he was speaking in a very pro-vaccine tone:

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Former President Donald Trump praised the efficacy of the coronavirus vaccines in a new interview just days after being booed by an audience for revealing he received a Covid booster shot.

"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind," Trump told conservative commentator Candace Owens in an interview on Wednesday. While Trump has expressed opposition to vaccine mandates, he has long taken credit for the vaccines developed on his watch.

"I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines all are very, very good," he said in the interview, referring to the Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson shots.

Trump also said people who are vaccinated aren't the ones becoming seriously ill.

"The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't do the vaccine, but it's still their choice," he said. "And if you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."

On Sunday, Trump drew boos from an audience in Dallas after revealing to former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly that he got a Covid booster shot.

“Both the president and I are vaxxed,” O’Reilly said during the final stop of "The History Tour," a live interview show he's been doing with the former president.

The comment drew some jeers from the audience, according to a video clip of the show that O’Reilly’s “No Spin News” shared online.

“Did you get the booster?” O'Reilly asked the former president.

“Yes,” Trump responded.

“I got it, too,” O'Reilly said, eliciting more hectoring.

“Don’t! Don’t! Don’t! Don’t! Don’t!” the former president then told the crowd, waving off their reaction with his hand.

Trump chose to receive his in private — an acknowledgement of the unpopularity of the vaccine with large swaths of his base.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki shared on Twitter the Owens interview clip of Trump commenting on vaccines and said: "Just going to echo former President Trump here on the safety and efficacy of the vaccines. Merry Christmas eve eve. go get boosted."

President Joe Biden in his own speech on Covid on Tuesday praised Trump for getting his booster.

It may be one of the few things he and I agree on," said Biden. "People with booster shots are highly protected."
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You numpties need to realize Trump isn't pro anything or against anything except what makes him money or famous, he doesn't give a bolloxs about illegal migrants (his companies have a long history of hiring them) he doesn't care about tariffs or vaccines, he is happy to be for and against any of them depending on what his idiot followers will vote for.

He has no principles or beliefs, he's frankly to stupid to understand what a hill to die on is, he's something of a racist but not even particularly committed to that
I recall when he first started talking about running for president back in the early 2000s and when asked what party he would run for, he said the Democrats, then said or maybe the Republicans, then eventually said it wouldn't matter.

It's pretty clear that he just wanted to be president by any means and the Republican party was the easiest on the to formulate a path into. He made up exactly what he needed to to get in. It still floors me how working class people think a trust fund baby like Trump who never worked a real job can somehow relate to them and their needs.
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At the first republican convention his acceptance speech was pro (or at least not anti) LGB.
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At the first republican convention his acceptance speech was pro (or at least not anti) LGB.
He basically goes wherever he thinks the wind is blowing. This is from 2016:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1860060931822080267


That clip is also pretty funny in light of "classical liberals" saying stuff like "I haven't changed, the Democratic party left me." You have Trump plain as day advocating for a position that they'd now call "radical leftist ideology".
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I recall when he first started talking about running for president back in the early 2000s and when asked what party he would run for, he said the Democrats, then said or maybe the Republicans, then eventually said it wouldn't matter.
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People forget Trump had a failed bid in the early 2000s...before social media misinformation
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Trump messaged on truth social that any Canadian or Mexican product would be subject to a 25% tariff starting on January 20 as per an executive order.

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"On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders," Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
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Oh great. I forgot about him tweeting out moronic policies. Four more years of this!
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That's a Truth, not a Tweet!
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That's a Truth, not a Tweet!
Meh, I can’t see a difference between those two cesspools. (Never been on Truth, FWIW).
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Feels like only five days ago people were kissing the boot and talking about how Trump would see Canada as a partner in trade, not victims of this silly tariff business.

Life sure moves fast, blink and you might miss it.
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Can Biden issue an executive order to eliminate the ability to issue further executive orders?
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Feels like only five days ago people were kissing the boot and talking about how Trump would see Canada as a partner in trade, not victims of this silly tariff business.

Life sure moves fast, blink and you might miss it.
Some of those Canadian politicians who were so excited for Trump to win should be changing that position any minute now.
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He may not be Adolf, but if Adolf was around today he'd probably call him a good guy who gets a bad rap.

(And then take it back a week later when confronted about it)

It's true that he has no enduring principles. It's just whatever is the flavor of the week. He admitted while in office that even the "drain the swamp" tagline from 2016 he didn't care for until his campaign group reported that it was resonating with the voters. Then he ran with it.

All just a means to an end.

But it's alright, it's hard to admit when you've been swindled by a used clown car salesman.
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