Sutter is the problem

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Maybe guys playing terribly are the cause not the effect.

Technically anything is possible, I suppose.

But come on, do you really believe that?

There was a reason LA locked him out of the room. And when he returned with an arena employee to unlock, reportedly returned to an empty room barricaded with garbage bins

They got sick of his ####

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Technically anything is possible, I suppose.

But come on, do you really believe that?

There was a reason LA locked him out of the room. And when he returned with an arena employee to unlock, reportedly returned to an empty room barricaded with garbage bins

They got sick of his ####

They better do a deep dive and interview every individual the next coach has come in contact with throughout his life. You can't go into next year with a coach who has been in a situation like that, for the chances it gets alleged by the fanbase again is absolute.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

We all know hardass coaches lose the room at some point. That leads to players having terrible seasons. That’s a problem

A guy with decent inside information said Sutter was a big reason 13 and 19 left. You hear 11 and 28 on garbage bag day? That’s a big problem

So big meany meant Markstrom, Huberdeau and Kadri fell apart completely?

Not sure that's saying a lot about any of their characters is it?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So big meany meant Markstrom, Huberdeau and Kadri fell apart completely?

Not sure that's saying a lot about any of their characters is it?

He was being mean to Markstrom by playing him and not throwing him under the bus apparently.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Technically anything is possible, I suppose.

But come on, do you really believe that?

There was a reason LA locked him out of the room. And when he returned with an arena employee to unlock, reportedly returned to an empty room barricaded with garbage bins

They got sick of his ####

You're going back to the ditch to ditch again.

Nobody is saying Sutter didn't contribute to the issues. Roster decisions, the way he handled the media, and the shot volume tactic all played a role.

But zero accountability to the players for key players having terrible seasons?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

He was being mean to Markstrom by playing him and not throwing him under the bus apparently.

Markstrom should have barracaded the door and stayed in the locker room. Like my kid does when it's time to go to the dentist. How dare he be played.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

He was being mean to Markstrom by playing him and not throwing him under the bus apparently.

It actually goes much deeper than that. See, because Sutter REFUSED to play Vladar (more than 50% of games) when he was RED HOT (.900sv%), that was actually abusive to Markstrom because, psychologically, Markstrom became convinced that Sutter would mistreat him if he won games, so this psychological abuse manifested itself in Markstrom playing poorly.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You're going back to the ditch to ditch again.

Nobody is saying Sutter didn't contribute to the issues. Roster decisions, the way he handled the media, and the shot volume tactic all played a role.

But zero accountability to the players for key players having terrible seasons?

Nobody is saying zero accountability to players. You are putting up an argument that I’m certainly not making.

And at the same time, sometimes we can look at things, use reasoning, and actually not just go ‘both sides, many sides’

People are leaving the organization voluntarily, or asking to leave, and pointing at him

And the ‘big meany’ stuff? Come on Bingo. The guy might actually be a prick that people can grow to hate more over time

Ever worked for a #### boss? They can absolutely destroy morale, and that can result in subpar performance.

This stuff compounds as well. When things are not going well, the coach is supposed to find a way to make them go better. It’s not like the poor results of these players was a result of them putting themselves above coach and team

Add in a bad strategy, playing a guy on his off wing, playing a guy who set the record for assists by a LW with a 4th liner for a long stretch

It is pretty obvious it was a toxic workplace

[PepsiFree]

Look at things, use reasoning, and come to only the conclusion I’ve made, because nobody else has looked at things or used reasoning.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Look at things, use reasoning, and come to only the conclusion I’ve made, because nobody else has looked at things or used reasoning.

Personally, the posters that I find interesting speak about issues and ideas more so than other posters and their style of posting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Personally, the posters that I find interesting speak about issues and ideas more so than other posters and their style of posting.

Nobody cares.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Huh. What do you know?

Sureloss just said Friedman reported Sutter being fired

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nobody is saying zero accountability to players. You are putting up an argument that I’m certainly not making.

And at the same time, sometimes we can look at things, use reasoning, and actually not just go ‘both sides, many sides’

People are leaving the organization voluntarily, or asking to leave, and pointing at him

And the ‘big meany’ stuff? Come on Bingo. The guy might actually be a prick that people can grow to hate more over time

Ever worked for a #### boss? They can absolutely destroy morale, and that can result in subpar performance.

This stuff compounds as well. When things are not going well, the coach is supposed to find a way to make them go better. It’s not like the poor results of these players was a result of them putting themselves above coach and team

Add in a bad strategy, playing a guy on his off wing, playing a guy who set the record for assists by a LW with a 4th liner for a long stretch

It is pretty obvious it was a toxic workplace

I was responding soon after Lanny's book on how Sutter wrecked every single player and was at fault for every misstep.

You responded to my response.

Personally I hope they move on from Sutter. I'm tired of it and want to see them go younger.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I was responding soon after Lanny's book on how Sutter wrecked every single player and was at fault for every misstep.

You responded to my response.

Personally I hope they move on from Sutter. I'm tired of it and want to see them go younger.

On this we agree and hopefully we are seeing it happen

[Erick Estrada]

Well that's one problem fixed. Next!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Then don’t come back….Walk away from your multi million dollars contracts it will sure help our cap crunch - I’m sure it’s a quick process to cancel a contract ask Richards, Kane and those are dark water scenarios… Imagine a breach of contract.. Easy. I’m calling the bluff - file your grievance that you don’t like your coach, Gary won’t punish his owners.

Coach don’t score goals and Coach don’t make saves.

This organization has allowed the accountability to rest on the coach way to many times. Time for these players to shape up or ship out I don’t care if you got two years left or six .

Wrong on Sutter, wrong on TDL, why are people still listening to this clown?

[Lanny_McDonald]

He's an insider, dontchaknow.

[Monahammer]

Perhaps the "inside" source is the colon?

[topfiverecords]

Orange Julius needs them to stay in business.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Wrong on Sutter, wrong on TDL, why are people still listening to this clown?

Ohhh nooooooooooooooo how dare my information be wrong.