Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I've listened to some intriguing speeches by Polliverr in the past (well before the stupid freedom trucker stuff and the dangerous precipice of pandering to hard right ideologies) and found him favorable to the point where I would have tossed a vote his way.

But the hard right pandering losses my vote. Even if it was a ploy to win votes to get the leadership and he'll bail on them now that he's gotten what he needed out of it.

You know that saying - when someone shows you who they really are, believe them?

Poilièvre has shown Canada who he really is. He and the CPC will spend the next several years scrubbing the far-right, socially conservative version of him from the zeitgeist in hopes that Canadians will forget - and they just might, until he becomes PM and shows us all over again.

[Cappy]

If PP moves to the center, he risks disenfranchising the base of his support while also benefitting from little (if any) gain from the center.

His whole campaign was anti-centrist / anti-establishment. Any party will use his leadership campaign videos against him as soon as he starts leading on that he is anything but who he really is.

Red Torys wont trust that he isn't Leadership Pierre. Right Wingers will be pissed that he isnt leadership Pierre.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Cappy

If PP moves to the center, he risks disenfranchising the base of his support while also benefitting from little (if any) gain from the center.

His whole campaign was anti-centrist / anti-establishment. Any party will use his leadership campaign videos against him as soon as he starts leading on that he is anything but who he really is.

Red Torys wont trust that he isn't Leadership Pierre. Right Wingers will be pissed that he isnt leadership Pierre.

He may have convinced enough people that he was their guy and the real thing that they will stick with him if he pivots, in a way that O’Toole never did.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't think it was a bad speech, it had non of the crazy elements and focused on the economy. I think his wife did a good job.


People like me have been marginalized by the actual political system of Canada and I'm not even interested in plugging my nose and voting for the least terrible party.

This very much describes me. There’s absolutely no way the Liberals will get my vote. I really want to find a way to vote Conservative but not sure there is one. For the first time in my voting life (I’m in my fifties) I truly feel there is no party that reflects me.

[PepsiFree]

Oh I’m sure all the wishy washy Conservatives will suddenly “find a way” to vote Con in the end.

[direwolf]

NDP will get my vote. Again.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Oh I’m sure all the wishy washy Conservatives will suddenly “find a way” to vote Con in the end.

Some might. Some wont. But I'm glad you're sure. You should be a Globe and Mail correspondent.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

Some might. Some wont. But I'm glad you're sure. You should be a Globe and Mail correspondent.

You’re right, some will obviously vote Green. How could I have been so silly.

[Izzle]

If there was a reasonable way to verify this, I'm willing to bet that 75% of the folks here who say that they don't have a party to vote for will end up voting for the CPC. Pick and choose any combination of the following for the reason:
1. Trudeau is corrupt and I don't like his Dad
2. Conservative are "fiscally responsible"
3. Conservatives won't hamper the oil and gas industry and will get pipelines built
4. Conservatives will lower taxes

[White Out 403]

The NDP needs to replace Jagmeet before I consider voting for them. Rachel is a great choice.

Otherwise I probably don't vote if these are my choices. I dislike them all

[MarchHare]

I will do what I have done for the past several elections at both the federal and provincial level: vote strategically for the non-conservative candidate in my local riding who has the best chance of winning. I'm not exactly an enthusiastic supporter of either the Liberals or the NDP, but both the federal CPC and the provincial UCP are beyond awful as both have fully gone to Crazytown and openly embraced MAGA-style deplorable positions.

[Ashartus]

Since I can't stand any of the party leaders I think my vote will come down to the individual candidate in my riding this time.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Izzle

If there was a reasonable way to verify this, I'm willing to bet that 75% of the folks here who say that they don't have a party to vote for will end up voting for the CPC. Pick and choose any combination of the following for the reason:
1. Trudeau is corrupt and I don't like his Dad
2. Conservative are "fiscally responsible"
3. Conservatives won't hamper the oil and gas industry and will get pipelines built
4. Conservatives will lower taxes

It's great that you rolled 1 into two separate things. I do happen think that Trudeau is corrupt, and frankly that's a pretty good reason not to vote for someone! It might sound like I'm stupid when you try to sneak in the point about his dad though.

And in all honestly, point 4 does resonate with me and a lot of other people.

I highly doubt I'm voting for a guy who associates with white supremacists and advocates bitcoin and thinks the Bank of Canada doesn't know what they're doing. But it doesn't mean I'll be voting for a corrupt politician who will probably raise taxes to fund vanity projects either.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Izzle

If there was a reasonable way to verify this, I'm willing to bet that 75% of the folks here who say that they don't have a party to vote for will end up voting for the CPC. Pick and choose any combination of the following for the reason:
1. Trudeau is corrupt and I don't like his Dad
2. Conservative are "fiscally responsible"
3. Conservatives won't hamper the oil and gas industry and will get pipelines built
4. Conservatives will lower taxes

I will definitely continue to vote for fringe parties whether it be Rhino or Communist or whatever until the Cons focus on center, moderate and sensible policies.

[Harry Lime]

I'm not sure how the Conservative Party does not yet realize that social conservatism does not work in Canada. Probably around 10% (huge guess) of the population agrees with social conservative ideals, and even the rest of the people who identify as conservative have a problem with the possibility of putting someone in office that might enact some of them.

Progressive Conservatives (electorate) probably have the fewest number of people active in a political party, simply because it's part of their social fabric to NOT spend time on such things.

[Roughneck]

This map sums up pretty well why social conservatism still plays such an important part of the CPC. Also acts as a decent heat map on where the CPC is, and isn't, popular.

Spoiler!

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's great that you rolled 1 into two separate things. I do happen think that Trudeau is corrupt, and frankly that's a pretty good reason not to vote for someone! It might sound like I'm stupid when you try to sneak in the point about his dad though.



And in all honestly, point 4 does resonate with me and a lot of other people.



I highly doubt I'm voting for a guy who associates with white supremacists and advocates bitcoin and thinks the Bank of Canada doesn't know what they're doing. But it doesn't mean I'll be voting for a corrupt politician who will probably raise taxes to fund vanity projects either.

We'll need to see the economic environment during election time. Lower taxes will still contribute to inflation.

I should look into this more, but so far what I've read is that liberals are trying to provide dental care to the masses. That doesn't seem like a vanity project.

[SebC]

IMO pharmaceutical should happen before dental (as there are economies of scale that can be achieved there that are not possible with dental) but both are positive steps.

[JohnnyB]

My riding is one of the most secure in all of Canada and hasn't changed party in several decades, so this is practically as much a spectator sport for me as is American politics. Wish we had a different electoral system.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re right, some will obviously vote Green. How could I have been so silly.

A lot actually will - green, or some other protest vote for a candidate they know won't win. A lot won't vote at all. Some who haven't sworn off the Trudeau edition of the LPC will vote for them instead. So, yeah, your post was wrong.

I actually have no idea what I'm going to do at this point. If there's a Rhino candidate in my riding I guess that's an option.