2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282740923957272576

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741193768488960

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741446122954752

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741633813934080

Also Monahan comes out looking very good.

Bennett conversely looks much much much worse, almost like he looks for the remainder of the season...

Should definitely try to trade Bennett after this playoffs if he preforms again lol.

[dammage79]

Gaudreau lines up with the teams best. Bennett is always saddled with meh. Things fancy stats omit like context are pretty important.

[Ashasx]

there is a fancy stat for that

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282740923957272576

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741193768488960

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741446122954752

https://twitter.com/user/status/1282741633813934080

I would agree with Kent on his summation. Gaudreau was the top producer for the Flames in their first playoffs run. 16/17 post season was a struggle for all the forwards at even strength. Even if the stats don’t show it, Gaudreau was pivotal to the power play’s success against the Ducks as he is the primary PP quarterback from the flank. Similar story in 18/19 as well, forwards struggled to produce. Gaudreau was basically double, triple teamed the entire series and the entire top 6 was also basically shut down; so I don’t really buy into the whole Gaudreau can’t do it in the playoffs narrative.

It’s like when Iggy and Fleury were around and all the onus was on them to bring their teams to the promise land on their backs. But all of these guys made up 33% of a line that make up 25% of a forward line up. Or in other words, they need help. It seems to me that this franchise is doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over and at some point, something needs to change, especially the mindset of this fanbase. The sword doesn’t always need to fall on just one guy.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gaudreau playoff advanced stats

Sorry for my advanced stats ignorance, but don't those stats just reinforce the idea that Gaudreau hasn't been able to produce at the same level in the playoffs? Sounds like he still generates chances but struggles to actually result in goals, which is the exact issue IMO. To me, producing at a much lower level than expected is still a bad thing for a player in the playoffs, even if the idea is that "surely he'll break out of it at some point". My fear is that maybe he can't get over the mental hurdle for whatever reason.

Whereas Bennett has overproduced for what he should be generating? I know the takeaway seems to be that he's been lucky more than anything, but it also sounds like the reputation as a player performer is accurate.

[Enoch Root]

Conklin-ing again I see

[Toonage]

Feels like a lot to unpack. He's having trouble getting his shot off, he should be able to bring it back to up to normal meaning he gets more shots, more chances at points, yet the checking is tighter and he sees the ice most so theres actually a very good chance depending on the opposition he doesn't raise that SH%

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by New Era

I only quoted this to dispel this idea. Patrick has not fought an injury bug. An injury is something that, with treatment, will go away. Chronic migraines are not an injury. There is significant risk for those with chronic migraines to develop further neurological complications. Patrick has suffered from these things for years, so much so in the past year that he has been unable to pursue his chosen vocation. Patrick is damaged goods and I don't think would clear a physical to complete a trade. Until he is back to playing and conversation around Patrick should be limited to his health and not potential trades. As it is, he has a claim to a disability under the ADA, which makes his status that much more complex.

I only quoted to dispel this idea. Players can be traded if they are unable to pass a physical, physicals to complete trades are to ensure there is no unknown injuries or medical conditions.

[Lanny_McDonald]

So long as the receiving team acknowledges the condition, right? Are you suggesting the Flames, or any other team, is going to acknowledge this condition and accept a player unable to play? Just want to be clear on what you are saying here, because I don't think the Flames doctors would recommend accepting the condition.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by New Era

So long as the receiving team acknowledges the condition, right? Are you suggesting the Flames, or any other team, is going to acknowledge this condition and accept a player unable to play? Just want to be clear on what you are saying here, because I don't think the Flames doctors would recommend accepting the condition.

It is all about disclosing the injuries during trade negotiations.

None of us would know if the Flames would be interested or not. But obviously if it ever reached the point of physicals, they would be.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also Monahan comes out looking very good.

Bennett conversely looks much much much worse, almost like he looks for the remainder of the season...

Should definitely try to trade Bennett after this playoffs if he preforms again lol.

Bennett’s stats actually expose how bad James Neal was. Someone posted Bennett without Neal and it jumps way, way up.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1283047752612675584

"Someone"

Neal sucks so bad. The fact that Treliving bought out one horrid disaster to just bring in that cosmic disaster is faith-shaking.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Neal sucks so bad. The fact that Treliving bought out one horrid disaster to just bring in that cosmic disaster is faith-shaking.

I didn't like the signing from the day it happened (mostly since I thought the cap space would be needed for Tkachuk to re-sign) but James Neal and Troy Brouwer signings weren't 100% the same.

Brouwer was a guy that had poor underlying and advanced stat numbers before coming to Calgary. That one had bad contract written all over it from day one and a lot of the pundits didn't it like it from the day it was signed.

Neal was different in that he actually had pretty good advanced stats numbers in Vegas and Nashville, and that some of the advanced stats crowd actually thought he would be a good fit in the top 6 in Calgary.

People expected his play to drop off in the back half of the contract but nobody thought he'd fall off so drastically and so quick.

Trevling still needs to take the blame since in the end it was his fault, but not exactly a direct parallel in those two signings.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I didn't like the signing from the day it happened (mostly since I thought the cap space would be needed for Tkachuk to re-sign) but James Neal and Troy Brouwer signings weren't 100% the same.

Brouwer was a guy that had poor underlying and advanced stat numbers before coming to Calgary. That one had bad contract written all over it from day one and a lot of the pundits didn't it like it from the day it was signed.

Neal was different in that he actually had pretty good advanced stats numbers in Vegas and Nashville, and that some of the advanced stats crowd actually thought he would be a good fit in the top 6 in Calgary.

People expected his play to drop off in the back half of the contract but nobody thought he'd fall off so drastically and so quick.

Trevling still needs to take the blame since in the end it was his fault, but not exactly a direct parallel in those two signings.

While I tend to agree with a lot of this, they were both 30yo middle six wingers who were never known for being fleet of foot.

I hated both signings the second I heard them.

And in Neals case, the last thing we needed was another left shot winger.

[UKflames]

With camp starting this thread surde went quiet in a hurry ��

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames need another right hand shot in their top 6, and the Leafs might be feeling a cap crunch and have 4 right shooting top 6 wingers. If they shed salary I wonder if there is a fit there at all?

Marner (23) - 1.13 ppg 21:33 ice time ($10.9 million cap hit) UFA in 5 years
Nylander (24) - 0.86 ppg 18:13 ice time ($6.9 million cap it) UFA in 4 years
Hyman (28) - 0.73 ppg 19:06 ice time ($2.25 million cap hit) UFA in 1 year
Kapanen (23) - 0.54 ppg 15:47 ice time ($3.2 million cap hit) RFA in 2 years

Based on age, contract status etc, I'd say Nylander or Kapanen would be most likely to be dealt if they went that route.

Mangiapane + pick/prospect for Nylander maybe?

[MrMike]

I see us getting Nylander, Kapanen or Marner in different situations. But I think a deal with Toronto gets done especially with Tre’s trade relationship almost getting us Kadri. I see Tre being very active and in wizard mode this offseason depending on how the playoffs go.

[powderjunkie]

I'd do Gaudreau and Hanifin for Marner + 2nd. Would Dubas? I already know who wouldn't here...

[TheScorpion]

Trading a 90-point winger making $6.75 and a top-4 dman for a 90-point winger making $11 and a 2nd-rounder doesn't make any sense to me.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Kapanen would probably be the cheapest and most reasonable option. He’d be a solid middle 6 RW behind Lindholm.

[Sandman]

I don't see any scenario where we get Marner, he's too expensive and the Leafs won't part with him. I doubt they part with Hyman either-they seemed to struggle when he was out of the lineup, he's a heart and soul player with speed and grit. I would be happy with either Nylander or Kapanen to bolster the right side, preferably Nylander-he's really starting to come into his own and is getting better at playing a 200ft game.(plus, he's a Calgary boy,lol)