Yes I know that's the suggestion, I agreed with it. Ekblad might turn into Johnson for sure, Reinhart should be a pretty good NHL'er though.
I just don't know about Gaudreau, I'd love to see how he pans out, but if we can move him for a blue chip, I think it's worth the risk.
Gaudreau is more talented and plays the game at a higher IQ than Reinhart. If Reinhart is considered blue chip to you, then Gaudreau must be a cornerstone prospect.
Time to get your head out of your behind and wake up to the talent that's already in this system, pal.
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Oh boy, the people here have sore backends from the St.Louis fiasco. The guy is yet to play a game and he's being anointed as the saviour. I hope his tiny frame can handle these expectations to at least play a few games against men.
Oh boy, the people here have sore backends from the St.Louis fiasco. The guy is yet to play a game and he's being anointed as the saviour. I hope his tiny frame can handle these expectations to at least play a few games against men.
We should find out in April how he stacks up against pros. He's been playing in the NCAA against men for his whole career there & torn it up. It's not like he was playing against teenagers in the CHL or something; Johnny had to suit up against fully grown men in college hockey – some giants in that league.
It's too easy (and cliché) to write him off for lack of size. It's too easy to overhype him because of exceptional skill. Gaudreau willing, he should be on the roster by the last couple of games this season, so all this speculation will be moot anyway. How about we save the Gaudreau chat for his thread in the Backburner & get this thread back OT?
I think I'd consider trading any of our prospects except Gaudreau to move up or straight up acquire the #1 pick if our scouts really believe in Ekblad.
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In the past I've thought Baertschi would look good in a Sabres uniform. Regardless of Cammy's situation, we have an awful lot of depth at LW which I fear might make Sven a decent bargaining chip this off season. Sven + our 1st rounder is the absolute maximum (prospects-wise) we can afford to give up to acquire Ekblad... Maybe a veteran roster player like David Jones or Matt Stajan would be helpful to the rebuilding Sabres?
I don't think Ekblad is essential for the rebuild. I'd be very happy with any of the centres as well, so Burke shouldn't have to feel desperate to move up.
Chasing this one down, but at least two teams I have talked to in the last 36 hours have told me they have heard the Sabres, who currently have set themselves up nicely in the next two drafts, are letting it be quietly known they would consider two "top line" prospects + for the top overall pick in the upcoming NHL draft should that be the pick they obtain...
More to come.
I think they are basically asking for yak+RNH, and will settle for yak+Eberle.
Call me crazy, but I think it makes sense for both teams.
While the NCAA has older players, it's not as rough as the CHL or the pros. There's a reason smaller and less mature players choose the college route. Look at St. Louis and Kariya as examples or even our slow maturing Jankowski. I'm not saying Gaudreau won't be a success, just that the argument that he has already faced tough hockey is flawed.
We should find out in April how he stacks up against pros. He's been playing in the NCAA against men for his whole career there & torn it up. It's not like he was playing against teenagers in the CHL or something; Johnny had to suit up against fully grown men in college hockey – some giants in that league.
Gaudreau can play his game against grown men in the NCAA because most of them are slow and unskilled. In the NHL, he won't have the luxury of dancing away from opponents. In fact, he's not even an elite skater speed-wise.
The NCAA is still a second-tier development league. Take a minute and look up the history of NCAA scoring leaders and Hobey Baker winners: it's a who's who of guys you've never heard of before.
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Gaudreau is more talented and plays the game at a higher IQ than Reinhart. If Reinhart is considered blue chip to you, then Gaudreau must be a cornerstone prospect.
Time to get your head out of your behind and wake up to the talent that's already in this system, pal.
pal? What is this the 1940's?
Gaudreau is insanely talented, we're all perfectly aware. That doesn't make him a cornerstone. Head in the sand would be to just assume he's going to overcome the massive hurdles with no issue.
I like Gaudreau, I want to see what he can do, hopefully for us, but that doesn't mean I think he's untouchable.
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If you follow the posters that don't want to trade our higher end smaller prospects , keep the Cammi's, the Hudlers you will see many of the same posters names come up time and again. I don't think some of our posters look at the overall picture.
I will let the " obtuse" comment slide this time.
You can't even name them though? what a joke. Sounds like the positivity and praising threads of our players is making you angry.
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Gaudreau can play his game against grown men in the NCAA because most of them are slow and unskilled. In the NHL, he won't have the luxury of dancing away from opponents. In fact, he's not even an elite skater speed-wise.
The NCAA is still a second-tier development league. Take a minute and look up the history of NCAA scoring leaders and Hobey Baker winners: it's a who's who of guys you've never heard of before.
NCAA teams are better than CHL teams (mainly because they are older). He seemed to be able to dance around fine in the World Juniors last year (AC's video - forward to about 2:45 to see him against Canada/Sweden to eliminate the weaker competition talk):
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With Burke in Barrie recently, I'm wondering if maybe he was there scouting both Ekblad and Lemieux? I still think that if we can take Lemieux with our second rounder, it would end up being a steal for us.
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With Burke in Barrie recently, I'm wondering if maybe he was there scouting both Ekblad and Lemieux? I still think that if we can take Lemieux with our second rounder, it would end up being a steal for us.
I can't seem to find any highlights of him other than dirty hits and fights. I can see why Burke would like him . Seems to me like another winger with bottom 6 upside though, which is the only position we have locked down for the next 10 years.
I think Conner Bleackley will be a steal if he's still available in the 2nd round... Big C/RW with good skills and leadership abilities. I'm surprised he's ranked so low by everyone but Button!
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The NCAA is still a second-tier development league. Take a minute and look up the history of NCAA scoring leaders and Hobey Baker winners: it's a who's who of guys you've never heard of before.
Is that any different then the WHL leading scorer every single year?
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In the past I've thought Baertschi would look good in a Sabres uniform. Regardless of Cammy's situation, we have an awful lot of depth at LW which I fear might make Sven a decent bargaining chip this off season. Sven + our 1st rounder is the absolute maximum (prospects-wise) we can afford to give up to acquire Ekblad... Maybe a veteran roster player like David Jones or Matt Stajan would be helpful to the rebuilding Sabres?
I don't think Ekblad is essential for the rebuild. I'd be very happy with any of the centres as well, so Burke shouldn't have to feel desperate to move up.
Even then unless we're picking lower than 6th we shouldn't move a guy like Baertschi. I'm not sure what kind of depth you would consider us having. There's Glencross (1 more year), Hudler (2 more years), Bouma and Cammy (pending UFAs). Then prospect wise, there's lots of prospects of varying talent and potential levels but you can't count them for anything until they're permanently part of the big club.
If we more Baertschi for a RW of similar skill/potential/age, that would help us but other than that, the more prospects we have, the more we'll end up with home-grown players.
I can't seem to find any highlights of him other than dirty hits and fights. I can see why Burke would like him . Seems to me like another winger with bottom 6 upside though, which is the only position we have locked down for the next 10 years.
I think Conner Bleackley will be a steal if he's still available in the 2nd round... Big C/RW with good skills and leadership abilities. I'm surprised he's ranked so low by everyone but Button!
It depends on how Burke views Lemieux. If he views him as 'one of the rats in the league' like Ott or Cooke, then he will not be interested at all. I think that was one of his reasons for being 'pro-fighting' in the NHL - that there were too many slimy dirty players as it is now already. Don't think he would draft one, unless he thinks he can make Lemieux truculent without being rat-like (cheap shot artist).
pal? What is this the 1940's?
. Seems to me like another winger with bottom 6 upside though, which is the only position we have locked down for the next 10 years. 
