Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[chemgear]

That list sounds more like a hostage taker's demands to the police.

Then again, they are pretty much holding the plaza hostage in a sense.

Where is Robocop when you need him?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I'm just curious what the hell they plan to do at all of these forums?

Near as I can tell all they have so far for an agenda would look like this:

Occupy Calgary Public Forum
Location: Every community hall in Calgary

Schedule/Discussion Topics:

7:00 - Being Vibrant
8:00 - ????
9:00 - Profit??? (I guess how much they hate people who make profits....)

[CaptainCrunch]

Here is CaptainCrunch's list of demands

1) Get hot chicks, I mean seriously, I'm tired of turning on the news and seeing a bunch of filthy bearded turnips, and fat greasy angry woman. I'll pay a lot more attention if I hear something that sounds somewhat intelligent and is slightly pleasing to the eye.

2) How about cleaning up after yourself, thats right, pick up your paper, and your garbage and your poop

3) You pissed me off when you started damaging the flag, I might consider bringing a 12 pack of water in exchange for 15 minutes alone with the morons who thought it was clever or somehow deep to desacrate the flag.
4) Pack up your crap and leave, you people are situationally unaware that your not only a running joke, but your completely oblivious to the actual so called 99% that your suppossed to represent. You could make a grand gesture by saying, ok we raised some awareness (for whatever is beyond me) its time to go home.
5) If you're on UI or Welfare, then take that money and donate it to the homeless and helpless. Show us that your truly above the need to suck off of the system.
6) I will bring down the hobo barrel for your fire if your willing to fuel it with your Ed Hardy and Roots clothes, your Nike running shoes, your Ipads and laptops, you know, all of that corporate stuff that you're suppossed to hate.
7) Seperate yourself from the Union, you've become a mouthpiece and you're being used and you're too stupid to know it.
8) If you want to be an activist, be an activist, if you want to brag about the social change your bringing about then go work at a soup kitchen, or maybe habitat for humanity, don't b1tch about the system and give yourself the illusion that your changing it, news flash, you're not changing it, the system will eventually grind you down and out of the park.
9) Get a job, yeah I'm talking to you, me "I don't work", I'm talking to you idiot smoker whining about a fine for butting out smokes on your linited income, obviously you're well enough to sit in a freezing tent all day advertising awareness, if your well enough to do that, you're well enough to work.
10) Get a fricken clue, nobody respects your spirit finger, singing bowl mediating crap, there's a reason why there's only a dozen of you left, its because your morons, and making demands like this when your a dozen strong is simply ######ed.

[Madman]

7) That the city pay for three evenings rental of the largest rooms at every Community Hall in Calgary for the purpose of holding public forums.

Hahahahaha - at EVERY community hall in the City? For 3 nights at each?

Their lack of electricity has meant they can't keep up with News sites and the overwhelming fact that nobody cares about their "cause" and just wishes they would go away.

[photon]

I want to see detailed agendas for each of those meetings.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by photon

I want to see detailed agendas for each of those meetings.

7:00 ring in meeting with singing bowl concert
7:15 talk about how they're raising social conciousness
7:25:30 The Occupyer taernacle choir sings Le International
7:45 break for city supplied cigarettes and cookies
8:30 List of new demands for the city and the world
9:52 meditation to calm the nerves
10:55 quotes from Tawnee
11:00 readings from the book animal farm, last 10 pages of the book and certain sections missing, crowd chants 2 legs good 99% better
12:00 meeting closes, Occupyer tabernacle choir sings Soviet National Anthem

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

7:00 ring in meeting with singing bowl concert
7:15 talk about how they're raising social conciousness
7:20 Puff
7:25:30 The Occupyer taernacle choir sings Le International
7:35 Puff
7:45 break for city supplied cigarettes and cookies
7:50 Puff, puff, puff
8:30 List of new demands for the city and the world
8:45 Puff
9:52 meditation to calm the nerves
10:00 Munchies, munchies
10:55 quotes from Tawnee
11:00 readings from the book animal farm, last 10 pages of the book and certain sections missing, crowd chants 2 legs good 99% better
12:00 meeting closes, Occupyer tabernacle choir sings Soviet National Anthem

Fixed.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

11:00 readings from the book animal farm, last 10 pages of the book and certain sections missing, crowd chants 2 legs good 99% better
12:00 meeting closes, Occupyer tabernacle choir sings Soviet National Anthem

Nooooo! Don't let them usurp (occupy?) that awesome anthem.

[Regular_John]

In today's episode of "Hypocrisy on display" I provide the following from the Occupy Calgary Blog:

A note to all commenters

As an advocate for freedom of speech I hate to do this but a line must be drawn somewhere.

As of now, unproductive, hateful and irrelevant comments are banned. I’m not pre moderating comments but if I see statements saying no more than “#### off hippie” or “get a job and take a shower” they will be scrapped.

If you have come to share your agreement or disagreement with the ideas being presented here and are prepared to take the heat for standing by your opinions, please be welcome. If you have come to share your general hatred of the OP campers, you have come to the wrong place. Olympic Plaza does not have computers. If you care to unload your bigotry on those people you will have to go to the Plaza to do it. Here we discuss ideas related to Occupy.

Feel free to speak as you feel but know that I watch the comments like a hawk. Be nice. And if you can’t be nice be intelligent. And if you can’t be either go read the Calgary Sun and share your thoughts there.

As an advocate for freedom of speech I hate to do this but a line must be drawn somewhere.

So back when everyone was saying "you're free to protest, but not squat" it was "TEH CHARTER PROTECTS FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!11!!"

But now suddenly it's ok to draw a line in the sand and say "we will not tolerate all speech"?

Yes, I realize there is a difference between public property and their little blog. But still, the stupid, it burns.

[CaptainCrunch]

I get what she is trying to say, its similar to here, where short, stupid, rude comments are deleted.

However if they truly believed in the concept of free speech then get a job, or take a shower would be treated as a valid opinion and she should be fighting to protect that statement.

Or is it charter for some? and not for others?

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I get what she is trying to say, its similar to here, where short, stupid, rude comments are deleted.

However if they truly believed in the concept of free speech then get a job, or take a shower would be treated as a valid opinion and she should be fighting to protect that statement.

Of is it charter for some? and not for others?

That's exactly the hypocrisy of it in my eyes. The Occupy Calgary group has taken a hardline approach to free speech/assembly with their actions. Basically any attempt to edit/limit their actions is a gross violation of the charter & they'll be hell to pay if anyone tells them to quite down or move.

But when people are attacking them or their group the charter is suddenly removed from the conversation "hey! you can't say that!" or "Shut up cory! your truck is killing us all!"

At the end of the day I just wish this group would go home. We've long since passed the point of dialoge and they are just drunk with the shred of power they've gained from planting their butts in everyone's faces.

[Resolute 14]

Well, the court decisions in BC and Ontario should put a little starch in the backs of local authorities. One hopes that this farce will be put out of its misery by the end of the month.

[photon]

Any links to the court decisions?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by photon

Any links to the court decisions?

Toronto court decision

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/Batty%20v...%2021%2011.pdf

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I'm just curious what the hell they plan to do at all of these forums?

This is starting to sound a lot like Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars, the great science fiction trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson about the foundation of a new society on Mars.

They too had an almost comical number of agendas, meetings and workshops.

The difference is, of course, in a Martian fantasy world, they got something done.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Toronto court decision

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/Batty%20v...%2021%2011.pdf

It was inevitable the courts would eventually settle on the side of municipalities.

Common sense suggests you can't confirm rights on one political group and then deny the right to occupy parks to every other political group in town. Ergo, the Occupy demands are a request for special treatment not afforded others . . . and that's unreasonable.

As I said a few weeks ago, the public would view them better if they were engaging in single, high profile and well-attended marches on specific political targets or mass gatherings at politically symbolic places.

With proper permits of course.

This is ending like The Summer Of Love in San Francisco. Good idea. Dirty Hippy ending.

Cowperson

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It was inevitable the courts would eventually settle on the side of municipalities.

This is ending like The Summer Of Love in San Francisco. Good idea. Dirty Hippy ending.

Cowperson

So you think it might take the HA to break it up?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

This is starting to sound a lot like Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars, the great science fiction trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson about the foundation of a new society on Mars.

They too had an almost comical number of agendas, meetings and workshops.

The difference is, of course, in a Martian fantasy world, they got something done.

Cowperson

Total aside, but I have always meant to read that series. Is it worth it?

[photon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Toronto court decision

http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/Batty%20v...%2021%2011.pdf

Which is interesting, the judge actually concludes that the eviction notice does infringe on their section 2 freedoms:

[75] On its face the Trespass Notice orders the applicants and the other Protesters to stop doing two things they currently are doing as part of their protest – erect tents and shelters and remain in the Park between midnight and 5:30 a.m. That government action clearly would impact and restrict the applicants’ current expressive activity, assembly and association, as well as the manifestation of their conscientious beliefs. I conclude that enforcement of the Trespass Notice would infringe the applicants’ section 2 fundamental freedoms.

So to the judge, it's not a question of it being a charter issue or not, he/she says it is. The central question according to the judge is:

[76] The central issue in this case, in my view, is whether such an infringement can be justified under section 1 of the Charter, and I now turn to that issue

Then goes on to decide that in the case of Toronto, their use of the Parks by-law as its authority for the eviction notices complies with the Supreme Court.

In that case I don't know how that translates to Calgary because our laws are likely different, but one would think they'd be similar.

It goes on to talk about proportionality and other things which suggest why the offers of spaces to meet and such have been made. The city evicting them IS an infringement of their Charter rights, the city has to ensure that the infringement is justified and proportional.

That's what I got anyway, legal documents are not much fun.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Total aside, but I have always meant to read that series. Is it worth it?

I've read the series twice and will probably pull it out again sometime. Sometimes considered the greatest Sci-fi fiction of all time, although there's great competition for that title.

In some ways, its like War & Peace . . . . . you have to set it aside for a second while you digest the ideas.

There is scarcely a topic not covered, including alternative currencies, goverments, etc, etc. . . . . . and its a readable adventure with a murder mystery woven through it.

Kim Stanley Robinson, however, is an idealist and a dreamer. That's okay in sci fi but, from a practical view, a real Martian society probably wouldn't work out his way.

Great read though. About 2,000 pages in paperback I think.

Cowperson