Electric vehicle war, is gas soon to be toast?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Correct me if I am wrong but Canada doesn't actually process very much of our resources into consumable products. While our mined ores end up in vehicles it gets shipped down to the US or, more commonly now, China to become sheet steel, aluminum billets, plastic pellets, etc.

Yes, that's what I understood as well. Just like our O&G industry, we don't have much refinery or finishing capacity that stays in country. We don't have vertical supply chain and manufacturing in Canada. We ship most of our natural resources out of country for processing and to supply other countries with raw materials for their industries.

[Hack&Lube]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...rger-1.7078959

There are a lot of fear mongering stories in the news media for sensationlism around EVs. Usually it has to do with people buying EVs and having nightmare stories about their condo board not allowing them chargers. Often it is about recalls which are really OTA updates. Increasingly it is about EVs driving themselves into accidents. This story does highlight an issue for a lot of residential power grids, especially in older neighborhoods and towns.

The good news is that 3 of my co-workers have all had solar installed this year and with the federal interest free loans to get it done, a lot of them are driving cost free and not working about relying on the local grid anymore. There's a lot of fear mongering about grid capacity but I think the future is going to be around individual or collective solar augmenting what already exists.

[Hack&Lube]

https://mobilesyrup.com/2024/01/10/h...yberpunk-2077/

Honda's crazy new Series 0 EV designs that are going to influence their 2026 releases. I'm not yet convinced about Honda pivoting to EV properly. They are still reliant on GM for their electric drive trains at the moment and like many traditional manufacturers, have been worried about cannibalizing their traditional business much like Kodak fearing to tread into digital photography.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

We shouldn't if it means Canadians get an inferior product at higher prices. That's where we fundamentally see things differently. I believe in free trade and globalization. If your local industries are not competitive on the global market, you should not insulate them with subsidies and tariffs. I wish we would get rid of Supply Management which only exists to subsidize Canadian Dairy Farmers and incentivize waste. I want the best world cheeses at an affordable price, not bland tasteless Ontario cheese. We deserve the best cars at the best price. The Eastern governments have long subsidized Ford, GM, Bombardier, etc. ad infinitum to have manufacturing out east (to buy votes) and what does that provide for the rest of Canada? Only 125,000 auto workers in those factories. That's a tiny percentage of the 40 million people, which which need affordable EVs if we are going to meet our own government's targets.

Maintaining a manufacturing base (and food production to speak to your dairy example) isn't just a matter of economics, it's also a national security issue. We saw what happened with COVID vaccines where Canada had no remaining manufacturing capacity and we had basically zero leverage as a result.

Globalization is great in periods of long-term peace and without any crises, but that's not guaranteed to continue. Particularly since Chinese action on Taiwan in the next decade seems more or less inevitable.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...rger-1.7078959

There are a lot of fear mongering stories in the news media for sensationlism around EVs. Usually it has to do with people buying EVs and having nightmare stories about their condo board not allowing them chargers. Often it is about recalls which are really OTA updates. Increasingly it is about EVs driving themselves into accidents. This story does highlight an issue for a lot of residential power grids, especially in older neighborhoods and towns.

The good news is that 3 of my co-workers have all had solar installed this year and with the federal interest free loans to get it done, a lot of them are driving cost free and not working about relying on the local grid anymore. There's a lot of fear mongering about grid capacity but I think the future is going to be around individual or collective solar augmenting what already exists.

What an odd article as it really seems to have missed the point. It doesn’t really matter where you are getting a 200 amp service is almost impossible and VERY expensive. I live in a 12 year old house and was told I couldn’t likely get one. My panel wouldn’t have enough room as I have a ac, induction stove and electric dryer. The solution isn’t service upgrades it’s a load management relay. My stove and EV charger if I were to get one would feed into the relay, if the oven is in no charging. That way my peak service isn’t ever changing we just are managing the load, this will be the way this works.

[Fuzz]

It all depends on your house, and your street load. I was able to call for an upgrade and my transformer was not overloaded, so they did that part free. The potential expense is upgrading the panel and getting power to where it is needed.


But ya, if you are considering this, I'd do it soon before everyone is trying to do it in 5 years.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

What an odd article as it really seems to have missed the point. It doesn’t really matter where you are getting a 200 amp service is almost impossible and VERY expensive. I live in a 12 year old house and was told I couldn’t likely get one. My panel wouldn’t have enough room as I have a ac, induction stove and electric dryer. The solution isn’t service upgrades it’s a load management relay. My stove and EV charger if I were to get one would feed into the relay, if the oven is in no charging. That way my peak service isn’t ever changing we just are managing the load, this will be the way this works.

It also mentioned the benefits of having an actual L2 charger versus just plugging into a 240v dryer outlet is that the charger has a brain. The car has a brain too, you can set off-peak charging from the car.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It all depends on your house, and your street load. I was able to call for an upgrade and my transformer was not overloaded, so they did that part free. The potential expense is upgrading the panel and getting power to where it is needed.


But ya, if you are considering this, I'd do it soon before everyone is trying to do it in 5 years.

True for the first few but reality is the grid can’t handle more peak so charging will need to dovetail in with other uses, which should work fine.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

It also mentioned the benefits of having an actual L2 charger versus just plugging into a 240v dryer outlet is that the charger has a brain. The car has a brain too, you can set off-peak charging from the car.

Yes, I still would’ve had an L2 charger and yes you can set off peak but if you are exceeding your panel load the relay will be necessary to manage the load, you can’t do that at the charger.

[Hack&Lube]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...et-2024-01-11/

Hertz is selling a good chunk of their EV fleet because of increased costs from collision damage and repairs. They are going back to gas cars.

[Fuzz]

Tesla's can cost a lot to repair and repair times can be excessive while waiting for parts.


That, and they mention "consumer preference" which I get, because who wants to be on vacation and deal with something totally unknown? I think as more people own EV's, they'll be more likely to rent them. Hertz probably went a bit too deep too early on this one.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...et-2024-01-11/

Hertz is selling a good chunk of their EV fleet because of increased costs from collision damage and repairs. They are going back to gas cars.

It would have been nice if those were available for purchase here. I wouldn't mind seeing a ton of top trim EVs hit our market for around $40-60K CAD.

[Calgary14]

Curious to know the range of a Tesla in Calgary this weekend given the weather

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Calgary14

Curious to know the range of a Tesla in Calgary this weekend given the weather

Really depends, if I had to guess based on ours, a fully charged to 100 percent(most people would never do this), long range model Y, newer model with heat pump - 250- 275 km. Highly variable on speed being travelled etc.

We keep ours charged to 80 percent, Edmonton temperatures are pretty equal and I’m guessing we’d get in the neighborhood of 200km. That said I took it to an appointment today, hit preheat just before I came out and it was nicely ready to go in minutes.

[nfotiu]

We currently are renting at Mercedes eqb. We reserved a ev6 but it wasn’t ready so offered us the Mercedes which I thought would be nicer. What a useless, ugly car for the price! I couldn’t believe it doesn’t even have any kind of adaptive cruise control or lane keeping features. Quite sluggish and not much range. There are so many other better options that go for 10-20000 less than this.

[Regorium]

My Q4 is taking probably a 45% range hit or so compared to summer. I'd estimate about 225 km of range for this type of weather.

[underGRADFlame]

Not fully EV, but our 2023 Outlander PHEV was parked at the Park and Jet while we were away in Cabo for the last week... we returned last night and the car was DEAD... Uber'd home, went back this morning to get it jumped and get it home, only to get a warning that the main batteries are too cold to start the vehicle (so the ICE won't start because the main batteries are froze).

So now I have two options, have the car towed to a dealership so it can warm up in the bay or wait till the weather warms up. I am waiting for a call back from Mitsubishi Roadside Assistance. FML

[chedder]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Not fully EV, but our 2023 Outlander PHEV was parked at the Park and Jet while we were away in Cabo for the last week... we returned last night and the car was DEAD... Uber'd home, went back this morning to get it jumped and get it home, only to get a warning that the main batteries are too cold to start the vehicle (so the ICE won't start because the main batteries are froze).

So now I have two options, have the car towed to a dealership so it can warm up in the bay or wait till the weather warms up. I am waiting for a call back from Mitsubishi Roadside Assistance. FML

Can park and jet plug it in for a while? I know Park2Go will do that if you have a cord. Does a phev even have a block heater?

Edit. or put a slow charger on it?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Not fully EV, but our 2023 Outlander PHEV was parked at the Park and Jet while we were away in Cabo for the last week... we returned last night and the car was DEAD... Uber'd home, went back this morning to get it jumped and get it home, only to get a warning that the main batteries are too cold to start the vehicle (so the ICE won't start because the main batteries are froze).

So now I have two options, have the car towed to a dealership so it can warm up in the bay or wait till the weather warms up. I am waiting for a call back from Mitsubishi Roadside Assistance. FML

This can happen to a Toyota hybrid (no plug-in option) if the high voltage battery goes dead there is zero way to charge it. None. Zip. The engine will not start.

There is a way to charge the high voltage battery but it is dangerous and overall sketchy I won't go into how I did it here. Hope you find a simple solution.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Tesla's can cost a lot to repair and repair times can be excessive while waiting for parts.


That, and they mention "consumer preference" which I get, because who wants to be on vacation and deal with something totally unknown? I think as more people own EV's, they'll be more likely to rent them. Hertz probably went a bit too deep too early on this one.

EVs seem great if you have a garage at home with a charger in it. Most people rarely have to find a charger.

This is the opposite of most use cases for rentals. You show up in a strange city, maybe knowing nothing about how to find EV chargers if you don't have an EV yourself, and it's just going to be frustrating.

Weird use case to chase. Things like runabout city fleet vehicles seem way more ideal to start with.