The group "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" has just gotten considerable press via CNN's website, which attempts to portray them as serious scholars with genuine academic credentials.
I think there are a lot of mis-truths and lies around 9/11. I think most of them fall in the category of people trying to cover their own asses because they either don't know the details they should, or they made mistakes. It looks bad and gives fuel to conspiracy theorists who see the holes and makes worst case assumptions.
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You know what is a proper sounding conspiracy that I would believe the government had ready and deployed? The Anthrax powder scare. Not saying it certainly wasn't real, but that is the scale I believe the government of the states has the capability to execute. Not 9-11. But who remembers that sort of thing nowadays, anyways?
From a purely neuroscience standpoint, conspiracy theories are perfect examples of a now more commonly understood phenomena where by people who hold a belief are given evidence against their view only become more entrenched and convinced of their original held belief.
Photon already mentioned this, for any conspiracy theorist to actually convert to the other side they themselves have to reason themselves out of it, and threads like these where they are shown facts only serves to strengthen their beliefs in the conspiracy.
There is also a host of psychological matters at work here which I won't go into, the distrust of authority and other issues but its very interesting how as we are learning more in neuroscience we can more accurately predict behavior.
I will say it again, but I find this position to be almost equally as ludicrous as 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
conspiracy is just the easiest way to understand something that most people can't grasp, people love to pick things apart and fabricate some fairytale for their own psychological well being and for understanding. 99% of the world knows what the truth.
conspiracy is just the easiest way to understand something that most people can't grasp, people love to pick things apart and fabricate some fairytale for their own psychological well being and for understanding. 99% of the world knows what the truth.
Well, that's clearly wrong. Judging by the world-wide survey results quoted on the first page, there are plenty of idiots everywhere. The idiots here think it's the US government who did it; the idiots in the Middle East think it's the Israelis.
I find this bizarre, as it would be impossible to "fake" 9/11, but then I am smart.
conspiracy is just the easiest way to understand something that most people can't grasp, people love to pick things apart and fabricate some fairytale for their own psychological well being and for understanding. 99% of the world knows what the truth.
That's what is so confounding about these 9/11 conspiracy r-tards, though. There is nothing difficult to grasp about the truth.
I know you do, but yet the science continues to move this way.
The scientific narrative, not truth, moves that way. It does not change the fact that it is ideological scientism totally lacking in self-awareness over the dangers it presents to a free society.
Terrifying, to be honest, that people are looking so deeply into technological results that have very little basis in scientific or philosophical truth.
Scientists or fans of scientism should be more familiar with ideology, I think. Mass society, the fact that more or less all people now conform to the same standard, provides the results for neuroscience. Humanity does not.
I would enjoy it if some of the truthers on this site presented their evidence to the JREF site. Why bother bringing the conspiracy to us amateurs when there is a group of professionals waiting for you?
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Well, that's clearly wrong. Judging by the world-wide survey results quoted on the first page, there are plenty of idiots everywhere. The idiots here think it's the US government who did it; the idiots in the Middle East think it's the Israelis.
I find this bizarre, as it would be impossible to "fake" 9/11, but then I am smart.
My belief about Sept 11, is that Al Qaeda terrorists who on other occasions have targeted the US, committed these acts. The notion that the US government and other governments around the world knew that something like this could happen is absolutely true. Please read about the Bojinka Plot that was circa 1995. Quite frankly good ol US arrogance got in the way, just the thought that something of this scale could happen without being stopped first was prob unfathomable to most in CIA, FBI and government circles.
While I don't believe in the whole conspiracy part of this, there are a lot of strange coincidences that came out of this
1 - Americans became very scared of anyone with a middle Eastern background.
2 - The price of oil started to climb shortly after the 911/I.T. recession ended
3 – The US was in an energy crisis with the price of a gallon of gas reaching 3.50
4 – The fear generated from War on Terrorism was enough to convince Americans they needed to go to war against Iraq.
5 – The US takes control of Iraq and the first thing they do is secure the oil pipelines.
6 – A US friendly govt. takes over Iraq
7 – US oil companies are able to move into Iraq
8 – The United States secures possibly 3-4 millions barrels of conventional oil
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While I don't believe in the whole conspiracy part of this, there are a lot of strange coincidences that came out of this
1 - Americans became very scared of anyone with a middle Eastern background.
2 - The price of oil started to climb shortly after the 911/I.T. recession ended
3 – The US was in an energy crisis with the price of a gallon of gas reaching 3.50
4 – The fear generated from War on Terrorism was enough to convince Americans they needed to go to war against Iraq.
5 – The US takes control of Iraq and the first thing they do is secure the oil pipelines.
6 – A US friendly govt. takes over Iraq
7 – US oil companies are able to move into Iraq
8 – The United States secures possibly 3-4 millions barrels of conventional oil
Coincidence?
It's estimated the US DoD burns about 40 million barrels of fuel in the first few weeks in Iraq, and another 100-150 million barrels per year on the total war effort. Maybe you meant 110-200 billion barrels.
there is no doubt that there are certainly a lot of interesting co-incidences coinciding with 9/11 - i just keep coming back to how do you assemble a "team" of people to pull this off and want to be involved with wanting to pull this off.....that is where it all falls apart for me.
