Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Totally agree. And as for the cumulative effects, I contend that a pothead is less of a menace to society than a drunk. Or maybe they're equally bad. But I can say that in all my years, I never picked a fight when I was baked. Can't say the same about booze. (Especially rye. I'm mean when I drink rye)

I've never understood this. Why does the type of alcohol you drink change your drunken behaviour.

I have friends that swear by this, but it doesnt make any difference to me.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

What about the banning of the soon to be eliminated power walls or the banning of cigarette sales in drug stores? Or the ongoing banning of the sale cigarette to minors? You're going to tell me the govt isn't trying to eliminate smoking?

The key is they are not making it illegal, just more difficult. Last time I checked people who smoke pot usually do so in their homes.

It would be a solid idea to do the same for alcohol, but for some reason smoking is so evil and drinking is so cool.

So you want your govt to be supporting more harmfull products? Makes no sense to me.

You would rather have drug dealers, growers, and organized crime making billions of dollars and costing law enforcement countless 100's of millions on enforcing something 1/3 of Canada's population responsibly uses and has used for decades?

The people most against legalization are the ones profiting from it being illegal, the criminals, crime organizations.. If it was legalized, which it should be; these people are the ones who suffer the most.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Dion

What about the banning of the soon to be eliminated power walls or the banning of cigarette sales in drug stores? Or the ongoing banning of the sale cigarette to minors? You're going to tell me the govt isn't trying to eliminate smoking?

Eliminating places where people can smoke is intended to eliminate second hand smoke. It also helps to eliminate smoking in general as people get fed up with having no places to light up.

Right... the intention is to eliminate second-hand smoke, not to eliminate smoking in general. That's pretty much what I was saying. In fact pretty much all rhetoric and debating points around that issue concern the effects of second-hand smoking, not smoking in general. The fact is, the government doesn't have the power to eliminate smoking. If they tax it to much (or ban it) the black market created would make the marijuana black market look like chump change. As much as the government would like people to stop smoking, they're technically free to do it and will remain free to do it for the forseeable future, if only in the privacy of their own homes.

So you want your govt to be supporting more harmfull products? Makes no sense to me.

I want the government to be on the same page for similar drugs. If marijuana should be illegal, then so should liquor. If liquor should be legal, then so should marijuana. Anything other than those (as per your favourite word) is hypocracy. I honestly don't care which way it goes (because I can get anything I want regardless of it's legal status), I just don't see the reason for one drug to be treated completely differently than a similar drug. Treat them the same, one way or the other.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've never understood this. Why does the type of alcohol you drink change your drunken behaviour.

I have friends that swear by this, but it doesnt make any difference to me.

We should apply for a research grant to investigate this matter further.

We will need a huge bar tab, and a few paramedics.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've never understood this. Why does the type of alcohol you drink change your drunken behaviour.

I have friends that swear by this, but it doesnt make any difference to me.

I've heard this about Rye many, many times. For some reason people believe it makes them a more belligerent or mean drunk. No idea why that would be, but I've taken it as truth when my friends are getting 'rye-drunk'.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by troutman

We should apply for a research grant to investigate this matter further.

We will need a huge bar tab, and a few paramedics.

A qualified surgeon and 2 spare livers on standby.

Do you want your firm to draft the application? You guys can take all the credit, I'm in it for the science!

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Thor

The people most against legalization are the ones profiting from it being illegal, the criminals, crime organizations.. If it was legalized, which it should be; these people are the ones who suffer the most.

Bingo.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've never understood this. Why does the type of alcohol you drink change your drunken behaviour.

I have friends that swear by this, but it doesnt make any difference to me.

Dunno. Rye just brings out the evil in me. Well, to be clear, if I get drunk on rye. I can have a couple rye and gingers and not murder a puppy, but then there are those nights when we play cards for shots of RR... Fights are not uncommon.

Wine and beer just get me drunk. Same with most other spirits. But Rye. Half a bottle of that and I'll tell you everything that's wrong with you and then I'll kick your ass for it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Dunno. Rye just brings out the evil in me. Well, to be clear, if I get drunk on rye. I can have a couple rye and gingers and not murder a puppy, but then there are those nights when we play cards for shots of RR... Fights are not uncommon.

Wine and beer just get me drunk. Same with most other spirits. But Rye. Half a bottle of that and I'll tell you everything that's wrong with you and then I'll kick your ass for it.

But this is ridiculous, and I know I'm de-railing this a bit, but why Rye?

What is it about the generally accepted principle that Rye makes people mean drunks versus any other type of hooch?

What makes it so different from any other type of whiskey?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Dunno. Rye just brings out the evil in me. Well, to be clear, if I get drunk on rye. I can have a couple rye and gingers and not murder a puppy, but then there are those nights when we play cards for shots of RR... Fights are not uncommon.

Wine and beer just get me drunk. Same with most other spirits. But Rye. Half a bottle of that and I'll tell you everything that's wrong with you and then I'll kick your ass for it.

I think its rather simple explanation, beer is by volume way lower in % of alcohol. So you drink 10 beers, by volume you get 'inebriated' but not anything like if you drink 10 rye/coke, since if you are anything like me the last 3-4 rye/coke are like 80% rye and a little coke for colouring

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Thor

The people most against legalization are the ones profiting from it being illegal, the criminals, crime organizations and the state organizations that 'fight' them.. If it was legalized, which it should be; these people are the ones who suffer the most.

Fixed.

[J pold]

I wonder how many cigarettes equal one hookers and blow…

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Locke

I've never understood this. Why does the type of alcohol you drink change your drunken behaviour.

I have friends that swear by this, but it doesnt make any difference to me.

Beer makes people drunk-drunk, rye makes people mean-drunk and tequila makes people crazy-drunk. It's a drinking fact!

Well I don't know if it's a fact or not, but from my own pie-eyed observations, this is just how it is.

I wonder if "rye drunk" is a regional phenomenon. Are people from outside Alberta familiar with this condition? Rye doesn't discriminate I'm sure, but a disproportionate number of the rye-drunks I've come across are usually gentlemen prone to owning cowboy boots.

Any hard liquor can be dangerous 'cuz it's so easy to drink too fast.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Locke

But this is ridiculous, and I know I'm de-railing this a bit, but why Rye?

What is it about the generally accepted principle that Rye makes people mean drunks versus any other type of hooch?

What makes it so different from any other type of whiskey?

IIRC, there was a study at the University of Washington. The behavior of subjects was found to be related to their expectations in getting intoxicated.

For example, some subjects were given real beer, and another group non-alcohol beer (but they were told it was real beer). The latter group reported feelings of intoxication, and exhibited the same behaviors as the truly intoxicated people.

http://www.alcohol.vt.edu/Students/a...toxFactors.htm

As you can see, much of what we feel while under the influence of alcohol is related to our expectations. If we expect alcohol will decrease our inhibitions, then we will feel less inhibited. In addition, the drinking setting alone causes us to feel these effects, even when we only believe we are consuming alcohol. We have all experiences this, as we begin to feel less inhibited, less stress, and more social when we enter a party or bar, even before our first drink.

The bottom line, is that, when partying, the drinking setting and our expectations concerning alcohol's effects are have as much or more of an effect on our mood and behavior than actually consuming alcohol. Thus, it is actually not necessary to consume large quantities of alcohol to feel the positive effects of alcohol. In fact, you will experience these positive effects after just a few drinks, or just by being in the party or bar setting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_culture

If people in a society generally believe that intoxication leads to aggression, sexual behavior AKA "beer goggles", or rowdy behavior, they tend to act that way when intoxicated. If the society teaches that intoxication leads to relaxation and tranquil behavior, it virtually always leads to those outcomes. Alcohol expectations vary within a population so outcomes are not uniform (Alan Marlatt & D. J. Rosenow).

Men tend to become more aggressive in laboratory studies in which they are drinking only tonic water but believe that it contains alcohol. They also become relatively less aggressive when they think they are drinking only tonic water, but are actually drinking tonic containing alcohol

The phenomenon of alcohol expectations recognizes that intoxication has real physiological consequences affecting perceptions of space and time, reducing psychomotor skills, disrupting equilibrium and a number of other behaviours (McAndrew & Edgerton).

[4X4]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Rye doesn't discriminate I'm sure, but a disproportionate number of the rye-drunks I've come across are usually gentlemen prone to owning cowboy boots.

Any hard liquor can be dangerous 'cuz it's so easy to drink too fast.

I do have a cowboy hat! I got it when I bought a 24 of bud around stampede time...!

And yeah, probably the reason I get so mean is because it seems to stay docile for awhile, then suddenly you're hammered. At that point, you (by 'you', I mean me) think you're still sober and the coolest cat in the house, but it slowly dawns on you that the other guy isn't as idiot drunk so kicking his ass is the only solution. That'll make the ladies love ya!

[4X4]

Originally Posted by troutman

IIRC, there was a study at the University of Washington. The behavior of subjects was found to be related to their expectations in getting intoxicated.

Or it could be a wild coincidence that everytime I'm drunk on rye, I'm a total idiot and I therefore expect it to happen the next time and make it so because of that. Either way, copious amounts of rye + 4x4 = bad news.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Or it could be a wild coincidence that everytime I'm drunk on rye, I'm a total idiot and I therefore expect it to happen the next time and make it so because of that. Either way, copious amounts of rye + 4x4 = bad news.

The studies seem to say you would get violent if you were given a drink that did not contain rye, if you were told it was rye.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by troutman

The studies seem to say you would get violent if you were given a drink that did not contain rye, if you were told it was rye.

Yea... Got that... Just saying that maybe I'm so used to being a dick when I drink rye, that I now allow it to happen.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yea... Got that... Just saying that maybe I'm so used to being a dick when I drink rye, that I now allow it to happen.

Come down to the Wildwood tonight, and I will buy you a rye.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by troutman

Come down to the Wildwood tonight, and I will buy you a rye.

I don't know... You seem like one of those dudes that comes off as all nice and harmless, but packs a mean punch. You were hucking those balls pretty far last week. I don't need my jaw broken...

Eh!, Wildwood b/c of the networking group?