Muslim employee at Canada airport fights dress code

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by Burninator

How are you even comparing those two? It's not part of a Christians belief to participant in a Christmas pageant at school. It IS part of her religious belief to cover her legs. Nice try.

which she can do with the pants she has been wearing and not making an issue of for the last 5 years

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok, so teachers can bring all the religous items they want to the school and display it on there own desk. Hell they should be allowed to set up a Christmas tree in there class room of they so desire.

A school is a public and government facility...what part of my post didn't you understand? No one is stopping that teacher from putting up a Christmas in their house.

[burn_this_city]

Good to see people throwing racist sentiment at someone who is trying to have a level playing field for everyone.. Pretty ironic, or is it moronic..? You folks can have your bend over backward appease everyone society, have fun managing that nightmare.

[Kipper is King]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Who said I wasn't patient with them?????

I see. We have had a misunderstanding then. I thought that because they were unable to speak the language, you would be impatient with immigrant workers if they had difficulties. I misinterpreted what you were saying. My apologies.

Yes, I agree it is important for immigrants to try and learn the native language of places they move to.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Burninator

How are you even comparing those two? It's not part of a Christians belief to participant in a Christmas pageant at school. It IS part of her religious belief to cover her legs. Nice try.

Oh come on.............actively celebrating ones religion is not part of the religion???? Are you serious??? Just because it isn't written in the bible that one must put on a pagent doesn't mean it's not part of their religion. And I am sure if we really looked hard enough at the muslim religion without all the interpretations we would find that there is nothing about women required to be covered. Just like every religion there are hundreds of interpretations.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by return to the red

which she can do with the pants she has been wearing and not making an issue of for the last 5 years

What does that matter? That doesn't change the validity of her claim of a religious freedom violation. If it is a violation today it was a violation 5 years ago.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Good to see people throwing racist sentiment at someone who is trying to have a level playing field for everyone.. Pretty ironic, or is it moronic..? You folks can have your bend over backward appease everyone society, have fun managing that nightmare.

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[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Burninator

A school is a public and government facility...what part of my post didn't you understand? No one is stopping that teacher from putting up a Christmas in their house.

Where she works is a government institution....no one is stopping here from wearing a full out burka in her house.

[PowerPlayoffs06]

Originally Posted by Burninator

False. No one is forcing you from doing any of that. Any restrictions of lights on trees or whatever have been in public and government facilities. That is separation of church and state only. And before anyone tries to make a poor argument about how this should be separation of church and state don't. Because this is an issue of personal religious freedom. Her wearing a longer skirt does not impact the separation of church and state.

Beg to differ. People are told at their places of work every year that they're not allowed to say Merry Christmas, regardless of whether they themselves are Christian or not, because of the multi-religious and -cultural nature of our society. Is it not these peoples personal religious freedom to wish others Merry Christmas if their beliefs so incline them to? Yet, they're prohibited from it.

How about the RCMP dress code then? Where's the seperation of church and state there?

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Good to see people throwing racist sentiment at someone who is trying to have a level playing field for everyone.. Pretty ironic, or is it moronic..? You folks can have your bend over backward appease everyone society, have fun managing that nightmare.

No I'm throwing a racist sentiment at someone who says their day is less Canadian because they guy serving him coffee doesn't speak English.
Complete BS.

[4X4]

How is it bending over backwards to allow a woman to wear a full length skirt? Hell, even christian women used to do that.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by FireFly

She choose to pay the price in the form of her job. As the article states, she can go back to her job at any time, provided she wears the proper uniform.

No, she was forced to chose between keeping her job and adhering to her religious beliefs. That is not a choice we as Canadians should have to make.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Oh come on.............actively celebrating ones religion is not part of the religion???? Are you serious??? Just because it isn't written in the bible that one must put on a pagent doesn't mean it's not part of their religion. And I am sure if we really looked hard enough at the muslim religion without all the interpretations we would find that there is nothing about women required to be covered. Just like every religion there are hundreds of interpretations.

Celebrate it at church, celebrate it at home, school isn't the only option. Public school is secular and shouldn't be putting on religious celebrations.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

No I'm throwing a racist sentiment at someone who says their day is less Canadian because they guy serving him coffee doesn't speak English.
Complete BS.

That crap was being tossed around in this thread long before he complained about tim hortons or whatever..

I guess no matter what there will be people who insist on making exceptions for every special interest group under the sun. I have no issue with 2 inches of skirt or whatever, my issue is the slippery slope that you all seem to deny exists..

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Where she works is a government institution....no one is stopping here from wearing a full out burka in her house.

Her wearing a longer skirt is not imposing another religion onto anyone like a Christmas tree is.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Celebrate it at church, celebrate it at home, school isn't the only option. Public school is secular and shouldn't be putting on religious celebrations.

Exactly....work isn't the only option.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

Beg to differ. People are told at their places of work every year that they're not allowed to say Merry Christmas, regardless of whether they themselves are Christian or not, because of the multi-religious and -cultural nature of our society. Is it not these peoples personal religious freedom to wish others Merry Christmas if their beliefs so incline them to? Yet, they're prohibited from it.

How about the RCMP dress code then? Where's the seperation of church and state there?

Say Merry Christmas. If you get reprimanded or suspended or fired, bring a human rights complaint. Then we'll discuss it on CP and see if the sentiment is any different than that directed towards Halima Muse.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by PowerPlayoffs06

Beg to differ. People are told at their places of work every year that they're not allowed to say Merry Christmas, regardless of whether they themselves are Christian or not, because of the multi-religious and -cultural nature of our society. Is it not these peoples personal religious freedom to wish others Merry Christmas if their beliefs so incline them to? Yet, they're prohibited from it.

Can you provide evidence for that?

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

That crap was being tossed around in this thread long before he complained about tim hortons or whatever..

I guess no matter what there will be people who insist on making exceptions for every special interest group under the sun. I have no issue with 2 inches of skirt or whatever, my issue is the slippery slope that you all seem to deny exists..

Where did I say I deny the slippery slope exsists?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Very interesting how this person can go and claim that her human rights were violated yet the Government steals 30 billion dollars from the members of the public service pension and we can't take them to court over the violation of our charter rights.

Justice Panet dismissed our claims on the Employer's breach of trust, fiduciary duty and the obligations to plan members. In his judgment, he found that Bill C-78 (the amending legislation), authorizes the Employer (the government) to essentially steal the more than $30 billion pension surplus and found that our members cannot claim discrimination under the Canadian Charter.

Damn....we live in a fair society equal to everyone dont we.