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Looger · 01-31-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Okay sorry for that. Can you give me an example? I've been quoting you directly most of the time so I don't know how I could have pulled it out of nowhere and say you posted it.

Maybe it's because your theory isn't really clear. You go along about some subject or other and sneak in something like "he's controlled by the Tri-Lateral commission" or "oil companies and financiers are behind all environmental issues". It is kind of confusing.

i have to call you on this kind of lying.

NOWHERE did i say that 'oil companies and financiers are behind all environmental issues'.

what the hell is wrong with you?

Calgaryborn · 01-31-2007, 02:41 PM

Al Gore is a known liar. I saw his debates with Bush when he was
running for President. He talked about specific people who he later
had to confess didn't exist. To say I have to see his movie
in ordered to be informed on this issue is poppycock. I'm not saying
that the issue doesn't have any merit but, when Al Gore says something
it should be doubted before believed. No I'm not dismissing the issue
because Al Gore has decided to make his living off of it. But I do dismiss
the movie.

I have read several articles exposing half truths and false
assertions made by Al Gore's movie. A couple have been posted earlier on this thread. The authors of these articles although unknown to me carry
a lot more weight then a pr oven liar like Al Gore.

RougeUnderoos · 01-31-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Looger

i have to call you on this kind of lying.

NOWHERE did i say that 'oil companies and financiers are behind all environmental issues'.

what the hell is wrong with you?

(the same bankers and oil company owners and financiers behind all the environmental causes

Jesus. Talk about splitting hairs. But fine. Point conceded. I mistakenly attributed "oil companies and financiers are behind all environmental issues" to you, but what you really said is "oil companies and financiers are behind all environmental causes". I'm truly sorry for this glaring error, but I promise it wasn't a lie.

Anyhow, it's an interesting point. I for one don't believe for a second that oil companies are behind all environmental causes. It seems to me that some environmental causes, such as the cause of " we shoul use less oil" run directly counter to what oil companies are trying to do, which is sell oil.

I do have to wonder what the shareholders in said oil company's would think of this strategy.

Flamescupbound! · 01-31-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Al Gore is a known liar. I saw his debates with Bush when he was
running for President. He talked about specific people who he later
had to confess didn't exist. To say I have to see his movie
in ordered to be informed on this issue is poppycock. I'm not saying
that the issue doesn't have any merit but, when Al Gore says something
it should be doubted before believed. No I'm not dismissing the issue
because Al Gore has decided to make his living off of it. But I do dismiss
the movie.

I have read several articles exposing half truths and false
assertions made by Al Gore's movie. A couple have been posted earlier on this thread. The authors of these articles although unknown to me carry
a lot more weight then a pr oven liar like Al Gore.

LMAO, liar is right...wasn't it Gore who claimed to have invented the internet? I laughed for a long time when I heard that.

As for his movie, man is it ever a joke. One big political agenda. I feel for the gullable out there, because an Inconvenient Truth probably scared the **** outta them.

Cowperson · 02-01-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamescupbound!

LMAO, liar is right...wasn't it Gore who claimed to have invented the internet? I laughed for a long time when I heard that.

As for his movie, man is it ever a joke. One big political agenda. I feel for the gullable out there, because an Inconvenient Truth probably scared the **** outta them.

I guess you're not going to like this then . . . . Al Gore nominated for The Nobel Peace Prize!!!

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS....ap/index.html

Cowperson

Burninator · 02-01-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamescupbound!

As for his movie, man is it ever a joke. One big political agenda. I feel for the gullable out there, because an Inconvenient Truth probably scared the **** outta them.

What are you basing this on?

EDIT: What I don't get about this big Global warming debate is how people find error in the data or discrepancy between scientists and they omit the thing as false. This logic doesn't make any sense to me. Yes you have to be skeptical about things, but with global people seem to want it to be 100% accurate or it's totally false. When has science ever been 100%? Never, science is always changing. Back in the fifties doctors said smoking was good for you, but since then they have said the total opposite. So by this logic the doctors are total liars and the surgeon generals warning is a political agenda for gullable people.

Cowperson · 02-01-2007, 08:53 AM

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, SUV sales jump 17% in Canada in 2006 while "environmental concerns" was 23rd on a list of 26 reasons why an average Canadian might by a vehicle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

Cowperson

Bobblehead · 02-01-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Al Gore is a known liar. I saw his debates with Bush when he was
running for President. He talked about specific people who he later
had to confess didn't exist. To say I have to see his movie
in ordered to be informed on this issue is poppycock. I'm not saying
that the issue doesn't have any merit but, when Al Gore says something
it should be doubted before believed. No I'm not dismissing the issue
because Al Gore has decided to make his living off of it. But I do dismiss
the movie.

I have read several articles exposing half truths and false
assertions made by Al Gore's movie. A couple have been posted earlier on this thread. The authors of these articles although unknown to me carry
a lot more weight then a pr oven liar like Al Gore.

Wow. And George Bush has never lied? Newsflash! A politician lied!

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Originally Posted by Flamescupbound!

LMAO, liar is right...wasn't it Gore who claimed to have invented the internet? I laughed for a long time when I heard that.

As for his movie, man is it ever a joke. One big political agenda. I feel for the gullable out there, because an Inconvenient Truth probably scared the **** outta them.

So you believed Al Gore said he invented the internet? Snopes.com

Now, who were you saying is gullible?

Calgaryborn · 02-01-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cowperson

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, SUV sales jump 17% in Canada in 2006 while "environmental concerns" was 23rd on a list of 26 reasons why an average Canadian might by a vehicle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

Cowperson

Future fuel prices themself will bring SUV sales down. Living in rural
B.C. I can see the practicality of an SUV in some situations. If you
need a four wheel drive to get up your drive way or to work on a
wintery morning you'll need a pick-up or a SUV. Pick-ups are great if
you have a family of less than four or plan on running a two vehicles.

I believe B.C. already put a tax on SUV's and half ton pick-up trucks.
The result was for many families to buy 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks with
the four doors. These weren't taxed because of our industries such as
logging which rely on them.

Calgaryborn · 02-01-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Wow. And George Bush has never lied? Newsflash! A politician lied!

It was the nature of the lie. Politicians bend truth in their favour
all the time. Al Gore didn't start out with anything resembling truth.
He made up a specific person with a specific hardship that didn't even exist. If memory serves me he did this with two imaginary people
and situations in the same debate. He gave them names and families
and even said where they lived. All bogus.

Besides why are you comparing Gore and Bush? If Bush is a liar or
not doesn't make Al Gore any more trustworthy. Al Gore is a known
liar and shouldn't be listened to. To say(as someone has on this thread)
that one needs to see Al Gores' movie to become informed on this
issue is nonsense. Al Gore's film is only as credible as Al Gore is. I
wouldn't spend a loonie to see it.

Lurch · 02-01-2007, 09:36 AM

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, SUV sales jump 17% in Canada in 2006 while "environmental concerns" was 23rd on a list of 26 reasons why an average Canadian might by a vehicle.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../BNStory/Front

Cowperson

I thought this article was poor - fuel efficiency rated top 3 but environmental concerns were 23rd? How are they different - one has real consequences but the other does not. The article could have been quite good on pointing out that people make economic decisions, not pie in the sky decisions. SUV sales plummet when gas prices go up, come back when gas prices go down. If you want to impact fuel efficiency, what is the solution - charge for pollution. If you don't care, don't charge for pollution. It really is quite simple.

Also, this article nicely backs up a point I remember talking about a week or two ago about falling oil consumption in the OECD in relation to oil prices at $50. Oil consumption falls when prices go up - not rocket science that we should expect healthy consumption growth this year with lower prices.

Bobblehead · 02-01-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

It was the nature of the lie. Politicians bend truth in their favour
all the time. Al Gore didn't start out with anything resembling truth.
He made up a specific person with a specific hardship that didn't even exist. If memory serves me he did this with two imaginary people
and situations in the same debate. He gave them names and families
and even said where they lived. All bogus.

Besides why are you comparing Gore and Bush? If Bush is a liar or
not doesn't make Al Gore any more trustworthy. Al Gore is a known
liar and shouldn't be listened to. To say(as someone has on this thread)
that one needs to see Al Gores' movie to become informed on this
issue is nonsense. Al Gore's film is only as credible as Al Gore is. I
wouldn't spend a loonie to see it.

OK, you bring up this lie. Do you have any links? If it is that blatant I'm sure there must be articles about it.

Calgaryborn · 02-01-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

OK, you bring up this lie. Do you have any links? If it is that blatant I'm sure there must be articles about it.

There are links I'm sure but, I'm not going to look right now. I bet you could watch the debates in full again if you wanted. I seen the debates
and I seen Al Gore's camp confess these people didn't exist after reporters
pressed the issue because they wanted to interveiw them.

If you wish you can call me a liar and let Al Gore remain a pilliar of
truth in your eyes.

Cowperson · 02-01-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch

I thought this article was poor - fuel efficiency rated top 3 but environmental concerns were 23rd? How are they different - one has real consequences but the other does not. .

I think the survey - not the article - indicates fuel efficiency decisions are made for economic reasons, not environmental reasons.

In other words, the people answering the survey could have said "environmental reasons" as a motivator but instead said "fuel efficiency," indicating they saw a difference in those two things.

Inflation adjusted, gas is probably, at the moment, roughly the same price it was in the mid-1960's. At $3 a USA gallon, it did seem to be altering purchase plans. Gas is about $2.17 a gallon in America today.

http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/im...tion_chart.htm

Cowperson

kevman · 02-01-2007, 10:05 AM

Do you have a better link to that picture? Maybe it's just me but it doesn't open.

kevman · 02-01-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

OK, you bring up this lie. Do you have any links? If it is that blatant I'm sure there must be articles about it.

From an earlier page in this thread:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&p=1

Bobblehead · 02-01-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kevman

From an earlier page in this thread:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=d0235a70-33f1-45b3-803b-829b1b3542ef&p=1

I was referring to the "He talked about specific people who he later
had to confess didn't exist" in a debate with Bush that calgaryborn was talking about.

kevman · 02-01-2007, 11:28 AM

My bad...I would also like to see a link on that subject.

Lurch · 02-01-2007, 11:50 AM

I don't know if this is definitive, but here is a conservative based compilation of Gore "lies" from a 10 second google search. The majority seem to be typical of every politician, with exagerations, half truths and taking more credit than appropriate. It wouldn't shock me to find that the list itself is as full of half truths as what Gore put forth. I certainly don't see anything that he completely fabricated anything along the lines suggested by CalgaryBorn.

http://www.nationalreview.com/gorelies/gorelies.shtml

Flamescupbound! · 02-01-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Wow. And George Bush has never lied? Newsflash! A politician lied!

So you believed Al Gore said he invented the internet? Snopes.com

Now, who were you saying is gullible?

Oh damn, i'm sorry...so he didn't claim to have invented...just created?
Invent...create....very similar no? It's still laughable either way.