Kerry demands equal time on Sinclair broadcast

[Lanny_MacDonald]

The Fog of War. An excellent "documentary" that discusses everything about Vietnam including the arrogance on both sides of the fence. It is also a great example of why those "humanitarian trips" can be effective. Some times the every day man needs to break the ice so the politicans can get their stuff together. That's what makes democracy work. Its too bad that some people don't get it.

[FlamesAddiction]

I was going to say something pretty similar.

If there was any semblance of truth to the accusations from the far right that Kerry supported communists and did things to make the U.S. lose the Vietnam war, there would be no way he would be a popular politician in the U.S. I think it's an insult to the intelligence of the average American to say that a politician who did such things would have roughly half of his country's support to be their president.

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Oct 23 2004, 06:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Oct 23 2004, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sjwalter@Oct 23 2004, 11:17 PM
Hey Lanny what do you think of this?

Out of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3.

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

What did he really do when he met with the Viet Cong?

What do I think? About what? Are you trying to say that Kerry aided and gave comfort to the enemy? If you are, there's nothing to say. It gives me an indication what your understanding of the war was and means there is no reason to discuss this matter with you any longer. You have a predisposition to believing anything that anyone says against Kerry, rather than using the history of the conflict and that of the people lin question to define your own opinion. To me it sounds like you have someone telling you mis-truths (your social studies teacher?) and he's not allowing you to make up your own mind and expanding your understanding of all sides of the issue. That's what I think. [/b][/quote]
Kerry was an anti-war pretester, against America and what they did in the Vietnam War. Then he goes and meets with the Viet Cong at an "undisclosed" location in Paris. Put two and two together and you should see why i brought up the constitution. And if Kerry's record is so flawless why does't he release it to the public? And don't give me the BS that he already did, because he never realeased all of it yet.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 24 2004, 05:16 PM
Kerry was an anti-war pretester, against America and what they did in the Vietnam War. Then he goes and meets with the Viet Cong at an "undisclosed" location in Paris. Put two and two together and you should see why i brought up the constitution. And if Kerry's record is so flawless why does't he release it to the public? And don't give me the BS that he already did, because he never realeased all of it yet.

Wow, you are a no mind, aren't you? What part of the millions of people that protested against the war did you missed? What part of the divided nation did you miss? Oh wait, you missed it all because you were not born yet. Where are you getting your ideas of what happened? Please share this source with us so we might show you the other side of the argument and balance it out to what reality of the situation was.

[sjwalter]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald+Oct 24 2004, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lanny_MacDonald @ Oct 24 2004, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sjwalter@Oct 24 2004, 05:16 PM
Kerry was an anti-war pretester, against America and what they did in the Vietnam War.# Then he goes and meets with the Viet Cong at an "undisclosed" location in Paris.# Put two and two together and you should see why i brought up the constitution.# And if Kerry's record is so flawless why does't he release it to the public?# And don't give me the BS that he already did,# because he never realeased all of it yet.

Wow, you are a no mind, aren't you? What part of the millions of people that protested against the war did you missed? What part of the divided nation did you miss? Oh wait, you missed it all because you were not born yet. Where are you getting your ideas of what happened? Please share this source with us so we might show you the other side of the argument and balance it out to what reality of the situation was. [/b][/quote]
Lanny all the ######ing other protesters never met with the Viet Cong, thats what the whole damn question was about. And who cares about my souce, you downplay them anyway because of your liberal, radical ideas about events that happened. He met with the Viet Cong, and to my knowledge the other anti-war protesters didn't.

Oh and i just watched Stolen Honor, Kerry p*sses me off even more now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Rumsfeld met with Saddam Hussein. I guess that means he is a Saddam Hussein supporter.

Bush met with the Taliban as well when he was governor of Texas.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 24 2004, 09:43 PM
Lanny all the ######ing other protesters never met with the Viet Cong, thats what the whole damn question was about. And who cares about my souce, you downplay them anyway because of your liberal, radical ideas about events that happened. He met with the Viet Cong, and to my knowledge the other anti-war protesters didn't.

Oh and i just watched Stolen Honor, Kerry p*sses me off even more now.

Wow, you just finish watching Stolen Honor and have the gaul to post this crap? How stupid are you, or how much of the damn video did you ignore? I guess you missed the part where a group of protesters from Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) protesters, along with Jane Fonda, visited the prison camp in Hanoi (and no, John Kerry was not with them). What part of that did not hit home to you? Was it the fact that NOT ONE POW had the balls to attempt to pass a message of the mistreatment they were getting? Seems that they were not quite as brave as they like to let on in the video. Not a single one of them had the intestinal fortitude to say a damn thing to these people on the humanitarian mission. That was a joke and really hurt their case.

Another thing that was hilarious about these POWs on this video is that they were ALL airmen who were shot down. Yet they were certain what was happening on the ground. Zipping along at 700 miles per hour at several thousand feet, dropping their payloads or engaging the enemy in dog fights, yet they were completely intune with what was happening in the field. Weak. Especially when you consider they were in prison for years. and were not alowed to communicate between prisoners. There were so many holes in this "video" that it wasn't even funny. The John Kerry comments were not even that damning. The Vets blew them into something they were not. It was a joke.

My favorite part of the whole video was when the one POW was reading a transcript of the protest and HIS mother was there protesting the war so the government would end the war and bargain for his release. His response? It was John Kerry's fault that she was there. John Kerry cohersed his mother and his sisters into supporting the ant-war movements. Pretty impressive, since John Kerry did not run VVAW and was only a spokesman for a very short period. Kerry said his piece, worked with the movment for a year a bit, and then moved on to bigger things in his life.

You might want to expand you knowledge, especially when you toss out "He met with the Viet Cong, and to my knowledge the other anti-war protesters didn't", even though you then claim to watch a video that proves that other protesters did visit. If you're going to paint yourself into corners with each and every post, don't post any more. You're killing yourself and its painful to watch.

[RougeUnderoos]

Ronald Reagan met with some Commie bas**rd or another, more than once. They shouldn't have called him "The Great Communicator", they should have called him "The Red President".

Richard Nixon met with Soviet leaders, and even the RED CHINESE! He played that Commie game known as Ping Pong with the filthy Communist Commies.

We even have a high school in Calgary named after Winston Churchill. I urge all good Calgarians to protest this school, as Churchill was as Red as they come, as evidenced by all those photos of him and FDR sitting next to commie bas**rd Josef Stalin.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 24 2004, 10:34 PM
Bush met with the Taliban as well when he was governor of Texas.

Actually I think that is a falacy. Bush was Governor of Texas when the Taliban visited and made contact with several departments in government, but he wasn't "present" when they had meetings. They also had dealings with Unocal and a couple of other companies that Bush had holdings in, but I don't think he ever met with them personally. The same can also be said about their visit with the State Department just after he became President. He was in office, but he was not present when they met with officials from the State Department.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Oct 24 2004, 03:24 AM
I was going to say something pretty similar.

If there was any semblance of truth to the accusations from the far right that Kerry supported communists and did things to make the U.S. lose the Vietnam war, there would be no way he would be a popular politician in the U.S. I think it's an insult to the intelligence of the average American to say that a politician who did such things would have roughly half of his country's support to be their president.

Agreed. I'm shaking my head at this one.

I can understand why some vets, and especially POW's are miffed at the guy for what he was saying when he came back....but beyond that....it's all a fairy tale.