Conservative Leadership Debate: Who's the Next Premier of Alberta?

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by moon

I am not against helping the environment I am against people who are claiming gloom and doom. As well as people who are calling for major reforms.

I am all for reasonable changes to improve the environment. I don't think getting rid of SUV's or bitching about people driving them is reasonable. I don't think Kyoto is a practical solution either and I believe that people have proposed better plans out there. I also would tend to allow more leeway for corporations to act in good faith when it comes to the environment then most people would.

If people want to take a reasonalbe approach then fine. I recycle and do all that crap "for the environment" but I am tired of hearing people whine about SUV's and how electric cars have been held down adn the world is going to end and is getting warmer. No **** the world is getting warmer that is what it historically has done. Anyways I don't want to get in an environmental arguement as it has been hashed out here enough times and nobody is going to change anyones opinion.

I totally agree. Kyoto is not a very good plan. Canada can just save our money that we would use to buy credits from other countries and use it towards our own environmental solution. I don't hink we need to sign onto some silly agreement about buying credits from other countries, when other major countries aren't either. Canada can manage our environment on our own.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Stranger

I'm glad Ed Stelmach won. I can feel more at ease with a average joe farmer running the province than Dinning and his corporate support.

You really think that Stelmach is just an average joe farmer? And that an average joe farmer is the guy who should be running the province?

I may not like Stelmach but at least I know that he is a savvy political vet who will most likely make concessions or at least try to bring in Dinning and Morton and their supporters back to the PC party.

If he were a average joe farmer I think that Alberta would be in for some tough times ahead even with all the oil revenue pooring in.

[MacDougalbry]

Originally Posted by moon

You really think that Stelmach is just an average joe farmer? And that an average joe farmer is the guy who should be running the province?

I may not like Stelmach but at least I know that he is a savvy political vet who will most likely make concessions or at least try to bring in Dinning and Morton and their supporters back to the PC party.

If he were a average joe farmer I think that Alberta would be in for some tough times ahead even with all the oil revenue pooring in.

The thought sends a shiver down my spine... brings back bad memories of what Grant Devine and his gang of average joe farmers did to Saskatchewan in the 1980s. And this is from someone who IS a conservative.

On the other hand, If you go to Stelmach's web site, his Agriculture policy statement is the only one with any meat in it.

[Stranger]

I know Ed is a savvy political vet and will represent this province well. But by average joe I mean he has a everyman way about him that I like and can relate to. Having a preimier in office that can relate to farmers and work with them will be a good thing for this province.

[Stranger]

You can't honestly say that farming has affected Alberta's landscape the most or should be considered Alberta's pollution problem. I don't say farmers are enviromentalists, but we shouldn't be branded as a problem.
I'm not against the oil industry, it helps drive our economy, but I would much rather look at a wheat field out my back window, rather than a oil well.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Stranger

You can't honestly say that farming has affected Alberta's landscape the most or should be considered Alberta's pollution problem. I don't say farmers are enviromentalists, but we shouldn't be branded as a problem.
I'm not against the oil industry, it helps drive our economy, but I would much rather look at a wheat field out my back window, rather than a oil well.

Not to mention growing crops provide much more CO2 scrubbing than wild vegitation.

[jzA]

I dont know how you people could be going on the fact that stelmach just lucked out here. He had the most 1st votes... See I told you guys all along he was gonna be the man, and now look? HES THE MAN BABY YEEAAAH.

Believe me, Stelmach is the write man for the job, I think the farmer part scared some people off at first (maybe giving farmers more right, IDK lol), but he has had a tough life, and always has an answer for a question. He is smart, quick on his feat, and will represent alberta properly, much like Ralph did.

HORRAY FOR ED.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jzA

I dont know how you people could be going on the fact that stelmach just lucked out here. He had the most 1st votes... See I told you guys all along he was gonna be the man, and now look? HES THE MAN BABY YEEAAAH.

Believe me, Stelmach is the write man for the job, I think the farmer part scared some people off at first (maybe giving farmers more right, IDK lol), but he has had a tough life, and always has an answer for a question. He is smart, quick on his feat, and will represent alberta properly, much like Ralph did.

HORRAY FOR ED.

He won because of Mortons supporters.

[jzA]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

He won because of Mortons supporters.

I dont know why im quoting this, but let me go ON the record and say that you dont know what your talking about, PAIECE.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jzA

I dont know why im quoting this, but let me go ON the record and say that you dont know what your talking about, PAIECE.

I don't? Stelmech didn't have 50+1.....sooooooooo......because most of Mortons supports decided to support Stelmech as their second choice....Stelmech won.

Can you figure that one out???? Or do you need it written out in more simple terms?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by jzA

I dont know why im quoting this, but let me go ON the record and say that you dont know what your talking about, PAIECE.

PAIECE?

Wasn't it reported that most people who voted for Morton as the candidate for the first ballot...put Stelmach as their second choice?

Maybe that would explain why Stelmach overwhelmingly won the second ballot?

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Dion

Wasn't Morton going to opt out of the CPP?

And wasn't he for a 2 tiered health care?

Morton is to radical for me.

I hate to quote something that is 4 pages old, but I thought this was important.

Better to opt out of the CPP now, then to wait for it's value to hit zero and be forced to 'opt out'.

I'm not a financial planner or an accountant, but I wouldn't factor to much CPP income into your retirement planning.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I hate to quote something that is 4 pages old, but I thought this was important.

Better to opt out of the CPP now, then to wait for it's value to hit zero and be forced to 'opt out'.

I'm not a financial planner or an accountant, but I wouldn't factor to much CPP income into your retirement planning.

No kidding....Can you imagine what we would ACTUALLY get if we invested our own money....I mean we pay $1800 a year in CPP....that means just that amont alone we should accrue about $500,000 after 30 years. At thats only based on a return rate of 8% Absolutly pathetic.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Rockin' Flames

Second of all why is Alberta having its own police force so scary considering Ontario already has it's own police force.

I'll challenge you to explain why? Just because the big provinces do, we should too? Have we lost faith in the RCMP? Why spend the money on staff, capital buildings and infrastructure to replace something we have already?

Aside from that - we can't even get able bodied people to staff a Wendy's let alone a whole new police branch. Even if it was cheaper, you can't put a price on the current trust the RC's have with the community right now.

I joke that it's Morton's vision of the Republic's Army...

[jzA]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I don't? Stelmech didn't have 50+1.....sooooooooo......because most of Mortons supports decided to support Stelmech as their second choice....Stelmech won.

Can you figure that one out???? Or do you need it written out in more simple terms?

Whos to say some of mortons supporters didnt write down dinnings name or some of dinning supporters didnt write down mortons name? and of course one of those jokers had to be picked as a second choice for someone voting for stelmach.

I dont know your logic to me makes little sense, you make it seem like that stelmach won cheeply or something.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I hate to quote something that is 4 pages old, but I thought this was important.

Better to opt out of the CPP now, then to wait for it's value to hit zero and be forced to 'opt out'.

I'm not a financial planner or an accountant, but I wouldn't factor to much CPP income into your retirement planning.

What happens to the money Albertans have already put into CPP? What would happen if you lived in Alberta for 10 years, paid into AlbertaPP, and then moved to Manitoba? Would AlbertaPP just get paid out to you? Would the AlbertaPP and CPP be completely interchangeable?

I'm not sure our own pension plan would work logisitically...

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

What happens to the money Albertans have already put into CPP? What would happen if you lived in Alberta for 10 years, paid into AlbertaPP, and then moved to Manitoba? Would AlbertaPP just get paid out to you? Would the AlbertaPP and CPP be completely interchangeable?

I'm not sure our own pension plan would work logisitically...

You would end up with both.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by FireFly

You would end up with both.

So 2 complete sets of public servants to essentially the same things?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

So 2 complete sets of public servants to essentially the same things?

Or you can look at it this way... the people that they have administering the CPP right now, can administer the APP later. So while it's two sets, it's the same number of people. And yet the APP will actually pay out eventually, wheras I can't hold my breath and hope the CPP will...

At least that's what I think you're saying as you missed at least one word in your post.

[Rockin' Flames]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I'm not sure our own pension plan would work logisitically...

Well if Ed actually lives up to his campaign promises we should see how an Alberta Pension Plan will work. After all he didn't want to opt out of the CPP but did want to add an Alberta Pension Plan.

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