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[Azure]

Oh please...quit your bitching.

Who cares what Adam has? If I remember correctly...he got a positive skill point for helping contribute to the forum. Seems fair enough to me.

Hey..look here..

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...284#post665284

[JiriHrdina]

Holy crap guys. Enough!

[photon]

If you go into your control panel it shows exactly which posts were given skill for.

Holy crap..

Do people not realize that any system when first implemented would seem unfair at first? If some first time poster got a positive is that unfair to all the vets? If some vet got a negative is that unfair?

There's no way we can (or even want to) read every post and rate it. That's absurd to even expect, yet people get ONE negative rating and fly off the handle, and someone else gets a positive and it's all unjust??

The system is supposed to work over the long term. As skill givers or mods browse the forum and think "that's the kind of post I like to see", they give some skill. If they see a post they think the other way about, they do the opposite. If you get a negative and think you're positive, don't worry about it, just keep on posting as normal and it'll turn around.

If people just calm down and be patient we can at least see how it works. If everyone goes nuts over every single move then a) we have no way of knowing if it works and b) it becomes unusuable, because no one will give any skill if every time it happens

[SpitFire40]

This is why I'd hope it'd be more public... I don't think the opinions of a select few truly hold weight in regards to the board itself.

I know i'd be a member of the Blue crew if it was up to the public, so this comment has no benefit to me.

Again, I haven't read everything in this thread so I don't know if making User rating a public thing has been considered here, or in private with mods.

Has it been considered? and if it has been shot down, please explain how it's better off leaving it in the hands of a small committee, Rather than all members?

[Phanuthier]

I just wanna throw my support behind what Photon is doing (and not just cause I want a red box, although that would be nice ). Hey, I'd like to have 5 red box's right now too, but most of the posters I do read (which isn't many... I ignore 80% of the posters here) don't have any ratings, and some of them even have blue boxes. We're a couple hours in, you arn't gonna get the exact rating you think you'd get.

It's really a good thing this committee is ananomous, cause if there's people whining about it now - when they don't know who they are supposed to whine to - imagine if they knew who they were to whine to? They'd get harassed like crazy!

Also... for clearification, and if I'm correct I think these ranking committee guys should realize, these skill boxes are for their post quality, correct? Guys like Lanny, timbit, Adam, transplant and Reggie are complete arrogant, obnoxious a-holes, but they get high skill because they bring something worth reading. If I'm correct, you could have 5 red boxes and 10 warnings at the same time, while a useless spammer that is polite may have 1 red box and no warnings.

[photon]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

This is why I'd hope it'd be more public... I don't think the opinions of a select few truly hold weight in regards to the board itself.

Has it been considered? and if it has been shot down, please explain how it's better off leaving it in the hands of a small committee, Rather than all members?

Public in what way? Skill givers being public, or being able to see anyone's list of skill ratings?

If it's the first, it's to protect the skill givers and let people focus on the post and the comment rather than the giver. And we (hopefully) have chosen a good cross section of forum members to give skill.

And what do you mean by "hold weight"? It's not like the skill system is intended to be the be all and end all of everything... it's simply intended to give feedback to posters about their posts, to hopefully over time nudge things towards a higher "quality" (however that is defined).

Having a skill system available to all members has been tried on many many forums and rarely works. At best we'd become a big group think where the prevailing opinion gets boosted up and everything else gets buried.. see Digg or slashdot for examples of that in action.

EDIT: And with that I'm going to bed

[Phanuthier]

I think if you notice, you can tell who the committee is, there's evidence of it there a couple "who?" in that pot

[JerzeeGirl]

Hey folks,
I have to agree with Photon here - it's time to simmer down and let the system work for a while and see where we are in a month or so....if you contribute to the board you'll be recognized eventually and if not, well then you can shrug your shoulders or try harder to earn some red boxes.
Being competitive people of course we all want the validation of lots of positive skill but sometimes we all just have to chill and take it easy - save the stressing out for the christmas shopping that will be consuming our time over the next few weeks.
Take care,
JG

[SpitFire40]

By public I meant anyone at anytime can rate a user, rather than a small ammount of users representing the entire board. I just don't think such a small group of people can accurately determine one's worth to the board as a whole... that's what I meant by these ratings not holding any weight.

Time will tell.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

By public I meant anyone at anytime can rate a user, rather than a small ammount of users representing the entire board. I just don't think such a small group of people can accurately determine one's worth to the board as a whole... that's what I meant by these ratings not holding any weight.

Time will tell.

What's to stop someone from saying.. well I just don't like that MrMastodonFarm guy, I think I'll decrease his rating every chance I get!

That just means more work for Moderators in terms of sorting through all the crap that someone gets because someone disagrees with them. I think the mods have enough to deal with without having to sort through all that crap and then nothing really changes in terms of board quality.

[SpitFire40]

Originally Posted by kermitology

What's to stop someone from saying.. well I just don't like that MrMastodonFarm guy, I think I'll decrease his rating every chance I get!

That just means more work for Moderators in terms of sorting through all the crap that someone gets because someone disagrees with them. I think the mods have enough to deal with without having to sort through all that crap and then nothing really changes in terms of board quality.

Isn't that the entire point of it though? If you like what a guy post's you'd rate give him poisitive feedback. If you don't, you give them negative feedback, me personally... I could give Adam negative just for his past history of being a jerk, not just to me but to ALOT of people. Even if he had a weekly interview it wouldn't change that.

Anyway, like photon said, it's not the be all and end all, time will tell if having a commitee making these choices for a board of a hundred+ really active users accurately displays the kind of poster someone is.

You don't see people whining about people rating their thread low, or giving thanks if someone rates it high do you? It's not that different

[MrMastodonFarm]

If I could sum up what Jordan's trying to say here.

"Adam has a red thing, and I don't, the system sucks, take his away and give it to me."

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

Isn't that the entire point of it though? If you like what a guy post's you'd rate give him poisitive feedback. If you don't, you give them negative feedback, me personally... I could give Adam negative just for his past history of being a jerk, not just to me but to ALOT of people. Even if he had a weekly interview it wouldn't change that.

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that someone gets hot under the collar about something trivial and rates every post they can find as poor without a tonne of justification.

[SpitFire40]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If I could sum up what Jordan's trying to say here.

"Adam has a red thing, and I don't, the system sucks, take his away and give it to me."

Case in point...

I'm ok with blue because as I said before, I have no pressure to keep up the good posts, i'll make then when I can but as I've said many, many times, I post to get a kick out of myself, other people and for entertainment... not to gain internet credibility.

Originally Posted by kermitology

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that someone gets hot under the collar about something trivial and rates every post they can find as poor without a tonne of justification.

Fair enough kermit, but with a broader base of people who've been here the longest know certain posters more than someone new and balance it out, rather than just a smaller group making the decisions. All I really asked was if it was brought up is all.

Anyways, this has been beaten to death. I like throwing things out there that differ than most opinions.. it may look like whining but in the grand scheme of things, it's just a freaking 10x10 pixel box.

[photon]

Originally Posted by SpitFire40

All I really asked was if it was brought up is all.

Definately.

[SebC]

Okay, this thread has really been derailed, but Photon, how do you view ALL your posts which have received feedback (other than going through each post individually)? I can only find my latest post to receive feedback, and the number of points I have!

Thanks,
SebC

[photon]

Unfortunately you can only see the latest ones.. another limitation of the forum software

[Hemi-Cuda]

ok i really had no desire to comment on this system, but having some fun with a guy in a thread that never started serious in nature in the first place and getting tagged for "off topic" just seems like overpolicing

seems like negative ratings are being handed out like candy but positive ratings are rarer than a potent Flames PP

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

seems like negative ratings are being handed out like candy but positive ratings are rarer than a potent Flames PP

About 35 guys have positve reds and 15 have negative blues.

Since it's new, one bad post could put you in the blue, and one in the red. It'll take a while for things to balance out. There could be some great posters who have blue ratings, because it's bad timing for a bad post etc.. but it will balance out over time.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

About 35 guys have positve reds and 15 have negative blues.

Since it's new, one bad post could put you in the blue, and one in the red. It'll take a while for things to balance out. There could be some great posters who have blue ratings, because it's bad timing for a bad post etc.. but it will balance out over time.

yea probably. it just bugged me that i was tagged for being off topic in the Off Topic Forum, in a non-serious thread to boot