[PGT] Sharks defeat Flames 6-3, Dec 16th

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But I don't think people are saying they are afraid of that drafting position. If they are - point me to those quotes.
They are pushing back against the notion that a top pick has a high probability of being a franchise altering player. The odds are more they won't.

The nuance is this:
- The best chance of getting a franchise altering player is at the top of the draft. That's why you need to get some of those picks over the long-term
- But chances of getting a franchise altering player at the top of the draft is still well below 50% because those players are so rare overall.

I think that's how I, and others, see it.

Yep, that's fair.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And again though, I don't really care. Lots of guys were like that before they became pros. I care about the upside.

Can you name a few players who were floaters months before a draft and turned out to be elite?

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Can you name a few players who were floaters months before a draft and turned out to be elite?

Not many, I imagine, and while not elite, Ryan Getzlaf was a bit of a floater in junior, IIRC.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Can you name a few players who were floaters months before a draft and turned out to be elite?

Originally Posted by D as in David

Not many, I imagine, and while not elite, Ryan Getzlaf was a bit of a floater in junior, IIRC.

He really, really, really didn't want to be drafted by Edmonton.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They lost even with the vets you desperately want traded. Yet still you complain. But you have to make up a quote by Maloney to do it. Well done.

I'm actually not in the group that is "desperate" for trading.

I'd like to see it if the deals justify it. But not desperate. You see, not all of team tank thinks the same.

Obviously Rasmus will go (unless they're lost their minds) and we already have two firsts. That trade I would all but assume brings in a third. And I'm pretty content with 3 firsts in this draft.

It's not as much complaining as just pointing out amusedly how shortsighted the mindset of those groups continues to look after a game like that which really put the spotlight on why one or two bottom-3 finishes is quite necessary to get the right core in place.

70% of the FOI threads lately have been complaining from all sides, and I've been among the least active contributors of that.. I'm granting myself a pass to get a dig in after a game that really gave stock to the bottoming out argument.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

And I've read that McKenna has been a disinterested floater/cherry picker in college and that his exceptional skills haven't even translated at an NCAA level, let alone an NHL level. I wonder if he will still be a consensus 1OA by the end of the season.

Not sure I buy some of those labels being tossed at him (especially when you know those kinds of claims generate clicks and views), but the mark of a future top player, more than skill, is that "psycho" personality trait when it comes to playing the game.

The crazy ones that refuse to do anything but roll over their opposition irregardless of league or stakes are the ones who often translate to top-5 caliber players at some point.

What Stenberg is doing in a Euro men's league looks more like a kid with that psycho streak to him than what McKenna has done, for sure.

But there's also plenty of hockey to be played in the year.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm actually not in the group that is "desperate" for trading.

I'd like to see it if the deals justify it. But not desperate. You see, not all of team tank thinks the same.

Obviously Rasmus will go (unless they're lost their minds) and we already have two firsts. That trade I would all but assume brings in a third. And I'm pretty content with 3 firsts in this draft.

It's not as much complaining as just pointing out amusedly how shortsighted the mindset of those groups continues to look after a game like that which really put the spotlight on why one or two bottom-3 finishes is quite necessary to get the right core in place.

70% of the FOI threads lately have been complaining from all sides, and I've been among the least active contributors of that.. I'm granting myself a pass to get a dig in after a game that really gave stock to the bottoming out argument.

Pass revoked. Pipe down weirdo.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Pass revoked. Pipe down weirdo.

Unfortunately for you that's above your paygrade, freak.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Unfortunately for you that's above your paygrade, freak.

Normal social interactions aren’t dependent on payment, Trent.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

According to Tankothon the Flames have the most difficult remaining schedule. The Flames recent hot streak is propped up by the glut of home games. After the Olympic break they are back on the road mostly and will come crashing down.



https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/remain...edule_strength

14 home games 20 road games so far

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

14 home games 20 road games so far

Yeah but they had more road and BTB games earlier (when they were losing a lot). More home lately.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah but they had more road and BTB games earlier (when they were losing a lot). More home lately.

Kinda my point...they have more home than road remaining and like 2 back to backs

[heep223]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Not many, I imagine, and while not elite, Ryan Getzlaf was a bit of a floater in junior, IIRC.

Sorry are you saying Getzlaf wasn’t elite?

[GioforPM]

It’s funny - I thought of him as elite. But he was a PPG guy, cracked 30 goals only once. Won a cup as a 21 year old 2C, but never came close again. So in hindsight maybe not elite - just super consistently great. I guess that Ducks dominance over Calgary maybe swayed my thinking.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s funny - I thought of him as elite. But he was a PPG guy, cracked 30 goals only once. Won a cup as a 21 year old 2C, but never came close again. So in hindsight maybe not elite - just super consistently great. I guess that Ducks dominance over Calgary maybe swayed my thinking.

It's where it's hard to compare generations a bit. Even though scoring hasn't really skyrocketed in terms of per game averages, scoring has really seemed to increase for the stars of the league.

From 07/08 to 14/15 his 1.02 P/GP had him 5th in league scoring based on p/gp in that time, which likely was elite for that time period.

Crosby - 1.35
Malkin - 1.21
Ovechkin - 1.17
Datsyuk - 1.03
Getzlaf - 1.02

But if you compare that to the most recent 8 season stretch:

McDavid - 1.64
Kucherov - 1.50
Mackinnon - 1.46
Draisaitl - 1.43
Pastrnak - 1.26
Panarin - 1.23
Marner - 1.21
Matthews - 1.21
Kaprizov - 1.20
Crosby - 1.17
Barkov - 1.13
Celebrini - 1.10
Makar - 1.09
Tkachuk - 1.08
Eichel - 1.08
Kane - 1.07
Robertson - 1.06
Marchand - 1.05
Point - 1.03
Guentzel - 1.02
Scheifel -1.02
Connor - 1.02

So his 1.02 P/GP ranked 5th during his prime, but if you look at his P/GP and compare it to todays numbers it looks underwhelming because it barely cracks the top 25 for the more recent stretch.

[GioforPM]

fair enough. I mean, Iggy was as elite as they come in the early 2000s. And he was probably just around PPG in that period.