[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 to Jets

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

My message to team tank is this: the Jays got off to a very slow start this year, and are now in the world series. Just sayin.

You're right.

Maybe they're this year's 2019 Blues!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

You're right.

Maybe they're this year's 2019 Blues!

The 23-24 Oilers who started 2-9 but the Flames don't choke in the finals

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It's not a surprise that Farabee can't score. He has very little skill.

He tries hard but I have seen more goal scoring talent on my beer league team. There is a reason Philly traded him.

Is your beer league scoring talent in the room with us now?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It's not a surprise that Farabee can't score. He has very little skill.

He tries hard but I have seen more goal scoring talent on my beer league team. There is a reason Philly traded him.

That's BS

It takes skill to drive play. It takes skill to get into scoring areas.

He had years as I outlined with higher conversion rates which suggests he can and has finished.

Stats back up a return to something more than we've seen in Calgary ... to what heights? Not sure.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's BS

It takes skill to drive play. It takes skill to get into scoring areas.

He had years as I outlined with higher conversion rates which suggests he can and has finished.

Stats back up a return to something more than we've seen in Calgary ... to what heights? Not sure.

Farabee is certainly a mystery.

But there is a reason why Calgary was forced to take him as a cap dump to get Frost more cheaply.

It was a reasonable gamble for Calgary to take at the time. But both Frost and Farabee have scored at putrid levels since the trade.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Farabee is certainly a mystery.

But there is a reason why Calgary was forced to take him as a cap dump to get Frost more cheaply.

It was a reasonable gamble for Calgary to take at the time. But both Frost and Farabee have scored at putrid levels since the trade.

None of that is new.

He certainly isn't producing. He may not produce.

But his history suggests more weighting to being a middle roster productive player and less weighting (other than recency) on the guy that couldn't hit the ocean from the beach.

Farabee is clearly contributing in many ways right now ... but the scoresheet. I'm slowly moving him to a higher standing than Frost as time marches on. Seems like more could be there.

[Svartsengi]

Years ago Blake Comeau had an extremely difficult time scoring with The Flames despite being a guy that scored 20 goals in season with the Islanders previously. He scored at a better rate once he left here from what I remember. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's BS

It takes skill to drive play. It takes skill to get into scoring areas.

He had years as I outlined with higher conversion rates which suggests he can and has finished.

Stats back up a return to something more than we've seen in Calgary ... to what heights? Not sure.

Technically, his stats show a steady decline.

He could get back to 12% or higher. Or maybe this year is less than the 6.9% he had last year.

I mean his 6.9% last tear was not for lack of opportunity. Whan he came to Calgary did he get back to 12% or better?

[TheScorpion]

Flames' individual scoring chances/60 leaders so far (not including Huberdeau, 2 GP):

Coleman - 9.92
Coronato - 9.37
Sharangovich (!) - 8.89
Honzek - 8.89
Farabee - 8.87
Klapka - 8.67
Kadri - 8.47

Beyond crazy that players 3 through 7 don't have a single goal between them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Flames' individual scoring chances/60 leaders so far (not including Huberdeau, 2 GP):

Coleman - 9.92
Coronato - 9.37
Sharangovich (!) - 8.89
Honzek - 8.89
Farabee - 8.87
Klapka - 8.67
Kadri - 8.47

Beyond crazy that players 3 through 7 don't have a single goal between them.

And notable that Frost isn't on that list.
He's been, for me, perhaps the biggest disappointment so far.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Technically, his stats show a steady decline.

He could get back to 12% or higher. Or maybe this year is less than the 6.9% he had last year.

I mean his 6.9% last tear was not for lack of opportunity. Whan he came to Calgary did he get back to 12% or better?

Not sure I'd agree that it's a steady decline.

Individual and on ice chance rates are up in both cases from his productive four years in Philly.

Only thing down is shooting percentage.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We can argue brain dead lazy takes that the Flames were outplayed and Wolf kept them in it. Flames hit 2 posts in the 3rd and gave up 1 5 on 5 chance.

If only the flames were as good as scoring as you are with giving them excuses, game after game... maybe they wouldn't be 1-6

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by redmile04

If only the flames were as good as scoring as you are with giving them excuses, game after game... maybe they wouldn't be 1-6

It is crazy, you would think the Flames are dominating every game going by his posts.

We out played them 5v5 yesterday, but Wolf kept is in the game on the pk. There is a clear difference between the chances we allow which are point blank, and chances we get which are mostly perimeter shots.

You would much rather be Hellebuyck in that game that night than Wolf. The scoring chances we actually did have hit the post or were chances for Farabee which are almost never going to go in.

I am happy we are tanking but let's not pretend we are dominating games or that we are getting unlucky. We have almost zero scoring talent which is why we struggle to score, and Huska plays a boring system that doesn't allow for much offense.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

Years ago Blake Comeau had an extremely difficult time scoring with The Flames despite being a guy that scored 20 goals in season with the Islanders previously. He scored at a better rate once he left here from what I remember. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out.

But man could he circle behind the net. And then do it again. And again. Sometimes all on the same shift.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It is crazy, you would think the Flames are dominating every game going by his posts.

Second hand embarrassment... you would think we are 6-1 reading his posts. I guess ownership sees fans like that and don't care to properly rebuild and eventually win. Why would they when they have fans happy with mediocrity?

[dino7c]

Its a game thread about one game..the game was even at worst

You and Rhett have the same narrative each game no matter what happens. Every reasonable take and stat suggests this game was a coin flip and it ended 2-1.

Its not a bad game against a top 3 team in the league. Considering I havent spent a cent on the Flames in 5 years the owners probably arent worried about me

[FBI]

Take a moment to realize just how bad 11 goals in 7 games is! EPIC.
What’s the record for lowest amount of goals scored after 7 games?

[dino7c]

Rangers have one goal in 4 home games

[SuperMatt18]

The lines were a little better last night but still think part of the problem is they just can't seem to put together lines that have strong chemistry.

I think they they should be looking at the last couple seasons and go back to the line combos that have kind of worked then, or at least variations of them.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Klapka: 66.6% xGF : This line worked well to end last season, might be time to see it come back. Huberdeau and Kadri work best with a Klapka, Pospisil, Farabee type who can do the puck recovery for them.

Coleman - Backlund - Sharangovich: 75.1% xGF: This line is actually the highest xGF for the Backlund+Coleman duo (higher than with Zary or Coronato), and for Sharangovich going back to the 23-24 season. It works, they need to get Sharangovich going, go back to it.

Farabee - Frost - Coronato: 71.16% xGF - its only 10 minutes but they have shown promise together as a trio. Also Farabee + Frost (53% xGF in 125 minutes), Coronato+Frost (51% xGF in 170 minutes), and Farabee-Coronato (83% xGF in 15 minutes) have shown chemistry in other variations. Give them time together to work.

I also think Coronato and Sharangovich could easily flip flop between these two lines based on optimizing minutes, matchups, etc depending on what's needed in the game. Coleman-Backlund-Coronato (55.2% xGF) and Farabee-Frost-Sharangovich (54.8% xGF) have both shown promise as lines.

Then it comes down to the rest of the spare pieces to find a line.

Zary + Pospisil have shown some chemistry together in the past. Honzek and Pospisil train together in the offseason. Also think Zary and Pospisil would be extremely hungry to try to win more minutes on the higher lines.

Honzek - Zary - Pospisil has the makings of a decent 4th line that can provide some offense and some energy IMO. Also think it gives you a chance to rotate some of the AHL guys in if you want...Pospisil-Zary-Gridin, Stromgren-Zary-Pospisil, Zary-Kerins-Pospisil all become options to rotate the waiver ineligible youngsters in to get some games and different looks.

Lomberg as 13th forward. Kirkland to the AHL.

Edit: A simpler way to look at it might be with pairs too.

Huberdeau - Kadri
Coleman- Backlund
Farabee - Frost
Pospisil - Zary

Those pairs have all worked together well in the past. Now it's just piecing in that final winger on the line to get the lines to click.

[GioforPM]

I'd really like to split up Coleman and Backlund, if for no other reasons than to get two younger players with backlund, who seems to be positive for kids. And also because I'd like them to move Coleman by the TDL and that would make it easier.