[PGT] Flames lose to Mammoth 3-1

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Look at Sharangovich's first year where he scored 30. He was getting into the slot and getting that amazing wrister off. He was always going to the prime scoring areas. Then in the offseason in an interview he said he wanted to get better defensively and play more like what the coach wants. Now he never goes to those high danger spots on the ice and shoots everything from the perimeter. Success, he is now playing more like what the coach wants. Shoot from the he perimeter and pray for a lucky shot or a juicy rebound.

There may be something here, but how do you explain the guys who have career years playing for Huska? Kadri, Coleman... they scored their highest goal totals under him, no?

Could Sharkbit's injury have effected his confidence?

[HighLifeMan]

Weegar, Kadri, and Wolf have ranged from downright dreadful to just mediocre at best through five games, and those are our top players at each position. It's no surprise to me that we have one win so far with that in mind.

Kadri has been outshot 43-22 at five on five while getting 77% offensive zone starts. That's embarrassing stuff. Every puck touch he gets on the PP also seems to be a turnover.

I love Weegar but he's trying to do way too much at the moment. This has probably been his worst five game stretch as a Flame. He is currently too focused on the extra curriculars like standing up for teammates, and losing his marbles on the refs.

Wolf has been just alright - but the reality of the situation is that he needs to be our best players on a nightly basis and he simply hasn't been to date.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Even as a placeholder for Huby, 1st line minutes means 1st line expectations.

Skate around and create all the havok you want. Season and pre-season combined he has little to show for all that work. It's a results business, he has bad results. Low points and goals are not being scored when he is on the ice.

He belongs on the 3rd line wing, where he will probably thrive.

You wanted to know why people are piling on him, that's why. Disagree if you want, but I think it's justified/fair and goes in the Farabee and/or Huska criticism list.

Yeah bitch about whoever you want.

As I said clearly ... I wouldn't pick the guy out playing everyone else, but fill your boots!

Luckily there are more things to look into than goals and assists!

[Jason14h]

The problem with Farabee is people keep acting like he’s actually scoring 20 goals for the Flames .

He is currently a less offensive , less gritty, and IMO worse defensive Coleman

Guy has 3 goals in 36 games with the Flames

If he was the Coleman replacement it would be great . I haven’t seen anything showing he can be. He should be on the 4th line of a great team , and the 3rd line of an average team

Then on top we pay him 5.5 million a year .

If he started scoring at a 20 goal pace he might actually be useful (if slightly overpaid ) but he hasn’t shown that for the Flames yet in almost half a season

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think that's what the coach wants.
Every coach wants their players getting to the inside for chances.
Just because that is what Sharky is doing, doesn't mean that's what the coach wants him to do.

Yeah coaching to get players to play more perimeter?

We honestly think that's a thing?

I guess if you want to progress a bias you can offer up some pretty interesting things.

Coaches have a high level of structure in the defensive zone. A high level of structure on tracking back when the opposition has the puck (gaps), in the offensive zone it's either a free for all or it's a F3 high insistence.

Nobody coaches players to stay on the perimeter.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Buff

They are definitely taking a patient approach to developing him and getting him adapted to the NHL pace. I guess we too need to be patient to see how this plays out but that's hard! We see Buiiuiiuium and Schneider stepping right in and getting good playing time and we know how good our guy can be so why can't he get the same treatment?

In the end I guess slowly introducing him to more situations and responsibilities isn't going to hurt him but even if he jumped right in it isn't like he would have cost the team. We're 1-4! I hope he gets more time soon.

In 5 years when he's looking dangerous (to other teams) we'll all be like "Remember when we were panicking about them not playing him enough in his first month?"

That's the part where I would say I disagree with you and maybe the coaching staff does too based on how they're deploying Zayne, as I'm of the opinion that sheltering him limits the times he gets burnt regularly and allows him to get up to speed slowly vs. being thrown into a regular role where he could potentially pick up terrible habits and/or get his confidence shot (yes, even top players can lose confidence!).

Buium is doing great producing for a rookie, but his -6 in four games is I'm guessing exactly the kind of thing the Flames want to avoid.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem with Farabee is people keep acting like he’s actually scoring 20 goals for the Flames .

He is currently a less offensive , less gritty, and IMO worse defensive Coleman

Guy has 3 goals in 36 games with the Flames

If he was the Coleman replacement it would be great . I haven’t seen anything showing he can be. He should be on the 4th line of a great team , and the 3rd line of an average team

Then on top we pay him 5.5 million a year .

If he started scoring at a 20 goal pace he might actually be useful (if slightly overpaid ) but he hasn’t shown that for the Flames yet in almost half a season

His metrics suggest he could play on an elite third line.

They also suggest he should be more productive. He may not ever be ... some players can't finish for sure, but you'd think his teammates would finish more when he's on the ice with higher danger events going their way.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo

His metrics suggest he could play on an elite third line.

They also suggest he should be more productive. He may not ever be ... some players can't finish for sure, but you'd think his teammates would finish more when he's on the ice with higher danger events going their way.

You can’t be an elite 3rd liner scoring 5 goals in a season - which is his pace since joining the Flames

At what point is it no longer bad luck and maybe a flaw in the metrics ?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think that's what the coach wants.
Every coach wants their players getting to the inside for chances.
Just because that is what Sharky is doing, doesn't mean that's what the coach wants him to do.

Then why is everybody doing that if the coach doesn't want it?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah coaching to get players to play more perimeter?

We honestly think that's a thing?

I guess if you want to progress a bias you can offer up some pretty interesting things.

Coaches have a high level of structure in the defensive zone. A high level of structure on tracking back when the opposition has the puck (gaps), in the offensive zone it's either a free for all or it's a F3 high insistence.

Nobody coaches players to stay on the perimeter.

Ok, then why does 90% of our shots come from the perimeter Bingo? Are you really denying that every time a player gains the offensive zone that he is not looking to throw it back to the point or he finds a teammate that throws it back to the point? You can't possibly watch Flames games and not admit that.

[Rhett44]

The problem with Farabee is he is just taking up a roster spot we could give to a younger player.

Sure, he tries and the advanced stats are good. But he doesn't actually produce anything when he is on the ice. He is pretty much an easily replaceable 3rd liner being asked to play in the top 6.

It was the reason he was traded in the first place. He isn't terrible, but he isn't good. He is just taking up a roster spot.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem with Farabee is people keep acting like he’s actually scoring 20 goals for the Flames .

He is currently a less offensive , less gritty, and IMO worse defensive Coleman

Guy has 3 goals in 36 games with the Flames

If he was the Coleman replacement it would be great . I haven’t seen anything showing he can be. He should be on the 4th line of a great team , and the 3rd line of an average team

Then on top we pay him 5.5 million a year .

If he started scoring at a 20 goal pace he might actually be useful (if slightly overpaid ) but he hasn’t shown that for the Flames yet in almost half a season

Farabee, with his contract, was a reclamation project. His play had fallen off in Philadephia before the trade. The Flames were hoping he'd resurge in Calgary, and he hasn't.

His cap hit is only $5,000,000/year though.

[Enoch Root]

Sharangovich was going to the dirty areas, now he is not.

Two potential reasons for that:

1) the coach doesn't want him to
2) since the injury, he is hesitant

Which of those two is more plausible?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You can’t be an elite 3rd liner scoring 5 goals in a season - which is his pace since joining the Flames

At what point is it no longer bad luck and maybe a flaw in the metrics ?

Fun! This again!

Good things happen when he's on the ice but he doesn't seem to finish. I don't care what metrics you like or don't like.

That matches the eye test.

I won't go with 5 goals as a season total if that's ok with you though. Nor will I pencil in 20.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, then why does 90% of our shots come from the perimeter Bingo? Are you really denying that every time a player gains the offensive zone that he is not looking to throw it back to the point or he finds a teammate that throws it back to the point? You can't possibly watch Flames games and not admit that.

LOFT

Lack
Of
F'n
Talent

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

The problem with Farabee is he is just taking up a roster spot we could give to a younger player.

Sure, he tries and the advanced stats are good. But he doesn't actually produce anything when he is on the ice. He is pretty much an easily replaceable 3rd liner being asked to play in the top 6.

It was the reason he was traded in the first place. He isn't terrible, but he isn't good. He is just taking up a roster spot.

I think what fans don't get is that production is goals and assists, but it's also preventing scoring from the other side.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You can’t be an elite 3rd liner scoring 5 goals in a season - which is his pace since joining the Flames

At what point is it no longer bad luck and maybe a flaw in the metrics ?

He hit 20 twice, and was on pace for 20 a 3rd time, in the 4 seasons before last year. And he is 25.

Either he has forgotten how to hockey (which I highly doubt), or this is a slump. To me, a slump is the far more likely scenario.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, then why does 90% of our shots come from the perimeter Bingo? Are you really denying that every time a player gains the offensive zone that he is not looking to throw it back to the point or he finds a teammate that throws it back to the point? You can't possibly watch Flames games and not admit that.

It’s because he’s the softest player in the NHL. It’s not due to coaching. Just watch him for a few shifts. He avoids contact like it’s the plague.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s because he’s the softest player in the NHL. It’s not due to coaching. Just watch him for a few shifts. He avoids contact like it’s the plague.

eye roll.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

LOFT

Lack
Of
F'n
Talent

They would get demolished if Huska just let them play pure offensive hockey imo. Diss seems to think they are actually a top 15 scoring team getting held back by Huska.