[PGT] Flames complete the comeback! Flames 5 - Devils 3

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH the whole team did.

Markstrom's numbers were terrible that series - but the Flames also gave the Oilers two most dangerous players way too much time and space.

Oilers shot 22.97% with McDavid and Draisaitl together on the ice in that series.

They shot 8.43% when they were off the ice.

Flames gave up 34(!) high danger chances, and 72 Scoring chances with those two on the ice in the 101 minutes they played together.

5.17 xGF per 60
42.7 SCF per 60
20.1 HDCF per 60

So yeah Markstrom was part of the problem still (9 HDGA, 6 MDGA, 2 LDGA with 29/97 on the ice) but coaching and the teams inability to counter the McDavid-Draisaitl line once they were united were the biggest issue. When 2 guys combine for 29 points in 5 games it's not on just the goalie.

TBH Sutter probably should wear more of the blame than Markstrom does. He failed to line match or figure out a solution to those 2.

Let's see how useful the modelling is.

Can you adjust the numbers if all the Flames were healthy and playing like they did in R1, but keep Markstrom's performance the same?

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Blaming the goalie only is lazy.

Not when the goalie had a .852 SP and the flames evenly played or outplayed the oilers for 4/5 games. Game 1 should not have gotten close but it did because of him.. that may have been a momentum swing, shots 47-28...

[Cali Panthers Fan]

This is one helluva post game thread, especially considering the incredible and joyful result of the game last night.

Y'all need to go out and touch grass now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is one helluva post game thread, especially considering the incredible and joyful result of the game last night.

Y'all need to go out and touch grass now.

Can we smoke some grass ??

[Enoch Root]

Maybe the biggest comeback win of the year - let's bitch about a playoff series 3 years ago!

Again!

[PuckSlap]

I missed the past few games because I’ve been working late.. but I wish I could have seen that one.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is one helluva post game thread, especially considering the incredible and joyful result of the game last night.

Y'all need to go out and touch grass now.

What's the German word for "watching someone that you used to know fail in a different workplace, but then you remember how they failed you"?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nope .... lots of info above from Matt that shows how much the team got cratered by Oiler skill.

Blaming the goalie only is lazy.

It's not blaming the goalie only. But let's not pretend like he isnt #1 on the list.

Biggest difference in quality of play from r1 to r2 was Markstrom's. Unless he was injured the criticism is earned.

Oilers skill probably wins out in the end but that series should have been much, much closer.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is one helluva post game thread, especially considering the incredible and joyful result of the game last night.

Y'all need to go out and touch grass now.

Hey. I'm savoring a glorious comeback while staunchly defending my disdain for Markstrom's BOA performance.

A man can do both.

It only makes sense that in the wake of the Flames cratering JM in comeback fashion that we air our JM grievances.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Let's see how useful the modelling is.

Can you adjust the numbers if all the Flames were healthy and playing like they did in R1, but keep Markstrom's performance the same?

Round 1:

HD/SA per 60: 6.8, HD SV%: .878
MD/SA per 60: 8, MD SV%: .879
LD/SA per 60: 10.1, LD SV%: .986

1.93 GA / 60

Round 2:

HD/SA per 60: 12.0, .724
MD/SA per 60: 11.8, .867
LD/SA per 60: 10.8, .946

4.92 GA / 60

If you look at Round 1 shot metrics, with Round 2 save percentages.

HD = 6.8 x .724 = 1.88
MD = 8 x .867 = 1.06
LD = 10.1 x .946 = 0.545

So if the team gave up the same shot splits that they did in round 1, but Markstrom still performed like he did in round 2 in those shot type splits they would have went from 4.92 GA/60 to 3.49 GA/60

So team performance was still a delta of 1.43 GA / 60.

Now on the flip side.

It we look at the round 2 shot volume, with Markstrom's round 1 performance.

HD: 12.0 x .878 = 1.46
MD: 11.8 x .879 = 1.43
LD: 10.8 x .986 = 0.15

So if Markstrom played the same in Round 2 as he did in Round 1, it would have been 4.91 GA/60 to 3.04 GA/60.

Now I think it really shows that both team and the goalie were the issue, Markstrom and the team were both elite in Round 1, neither were good in round 2.

To me though the data to me shows that the team was giving up a ridiculous quality and volume of HD chances, and Markstrom just couldn't keep up with it as shown by his HD save percentage change. Based on what the team was giving up in Round 2 there was no chance for Markstrom to maintain his performance.

[CsInMyBlood]

Andersson and especially Hanifin were as much to blame as Markstrom in that series.

But yeah Markstrom was not good at all.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Andersson and especially Hanifin were as much to blame as Markstrom in that series.

But yeah Markstrom was not good at all.

Why did we keep Rasmus? You gotta get the stink out.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

It's not blaming the goalie only.

The thing is though you're only speaking for yourself. There definately is people who are only blaming the goalie.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me though the data to me shows that the team was giving up a ridiculous quality and volume of HD chances, and Markstrom just couldn't keep up with it as shown by his HD save percentage change. Based on what the team was giving up in Round 2 there was no chance for Markstrom to maintain his performance.

That's the biggest weakness, I find, in tracking ‘high-danger’ scoring chances. There's no upper limit to the weight class, so to speak. When a player gets a shot from ‘home plate’ with no teammate in front of the net, that, as I understand it, is a high-danger chance. When he gets the shot through traffic with a man parked outside the crease to deflect the puck, that's also a high-danger chance. And when five Oilers swarm into the corner, leaving an opposing player all alone in front of the net to pose for a ‘This Guy Scored’ picture… that is a high-danger chance.

I wonder how much the stats could be improved if they added a fourth category, for clean breakaways and other situations where there is no defending player to help the goalie. Call it ‘unopposed scoring chances’ or something like that.

[FireGilbert]

That was awesome! I lost hope after the Devils 3rd goal and did not see 4 3rd period goals coming. Not many better things in hockey than wondering when your team will pull the goalie to a minute later the other team having to pull theirs.

Funny to see Devils fan comments in the ATL about Markstrom. He is what he is, a wildly inconsistent goalie who sometimes looks Vezina calibre and other times lets his team down with bad goals at bad times. The trade was a steal and glad he’s Jerseys problem now. Also funny the Devils made the trade thinking they were cup contenders but they are barely ahead of the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

That was awesome! I lost hope after the Devils 3rd goal and did not see 4 3rd period goals coming. Not many better things in hockey than wondering when your team will pull the goalie to a minute later the other team having to pull theirs.

Funny to see Devils fan comments in the ATL about Markstrom. He is what he is, a wildly inconsistent goalie who sometimes looks Vezina calibre and other times lets his team down with bad goals at bad times. The trade was a steal and glad he’s Jerseys problem now. Also funny the Devils made the trade thinking they were cup contenders but they are barely ahead of the Flames.

This is the main issue for them...the guy is old, they are just okay, and they gave up young assets that seem far better than first thought.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

This is one helluva post game thread, especially considering the incredible and joyful result of the game last night.

Y'all need to go out and touch grass now.

What about go out and touch snow? Aint no grass here yet, my friend.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Maybe the biggest comeback win of the year - let's bitch about a playoff series 3 years ago!

Again!

My fault.

I thought the Markstrom hate was over the top, but in pushing back I created a bitter time warp.

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...0-bc4c9eb8f60d
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game.../flames-devils
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401688689
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/calgar...boxscore-42629
https://deadspin.com/flames-score-fo...ertake-devils/
https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...to-down-devils
https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...5-3-3-20-2025/