[News] Flames do not make any trades on trade deadline day

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think Conroy also has to consider how those contract negotiations go if he pulled the rug out from under them this season by trading vets when the team busted their butts to be in a playoff spot at this point. Some of those guys might reconsider long term deals for short term deals that take them to UFA status quicker if they feel like that's the way the GM operates.

There is a lot more to managing a team than just assets in and assets out. You have to think about the long term consequences and opportunity cost for everything.

I don't see any of those young players sticking it to the Flames because they missed out on the playoffs this year. They could get paid more due to more ice time, they should be happy.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What is the plan tho?

We won't rebuild to get elite talent, and we only trade the vets when our hand is forced.

The teams above us keep adding, the teams below us are now emerging. A few will fall off probably keeping us from bottoming out.

If you look at the point system I did above, there are 8 teams that have really good draft siutaions. Chi, SJ and Nashville are expected as they are the bottom 3.

Philly really jumps out to me though. They added to there draft today, they kept all there top players and have a rookie like Michkov. They are way more likley to add a star to their core in this draft than we are and also add depth to the prospect pool.

Seattle also added a ton to the value of their draft, have some young players playing very well that are new to the team. Didn't really give up any core players and aren't that much worse than we are but are way more likely to add stars to the core this draft

Montreal - ranks well ahead of us, also has a high-end rookie and didn't lose anyone that matters but has a way better draft than us.

1 trade today could have made a difference for the future and still allowed this team to make the playoffs. But that wasn't the goal to start the year, I get rewarding players but why not reward the Wranglers too, they are very good. Need to move bodies out to do that.

[traptor]

Our depth chart for the next 3 years will look something like this (RFA's and guys under contract)

Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Farebee - Frost - Sharagovich
Zary - x - x
Pospisil - x - x

Weegar - *Parehk*
Bahl - *Rasmus*
x - x

Wolf


Backlund, Lomberg are 1 more year. Coleman is 2 more years. There is a decent chance the rest stay around for 3 years as it doesn't seem like Conroy is keen to trade anyone on contract.
Parehk is the one prospect that I've shoed in, because he's shown elite level talent.

Realistically what does everyone think is the range of this team over the next 3 years? Young players will get better but the old players will get worse.


Feels like a 12th - 22nd team to me.


We'll need something to eventually kickstart us out.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What is the plan tho?

We won't rebuild to get elite talent, and we only trade the vets when our hand is forced.

The teams above us keep adding, the teams below us are now emerging. A few will fall off probably keeping us from bottoming out.

I think the plan is the same. Target players in that 22-25 year old range.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Andersson, Coleman, and maybe Kadri traded in the off season when there are more teams in the market for them. Right now, it's mostly just contenders looking for rentals and star players. In the off season there will be many more teams retooling for the next season.

The only deal that should have been on the table for the Flames was the Cozens deal, but Buffalo allegedly wanted Zary+ back. I'd be pretty apprehensive about pulling the trigger on that as well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by traptor

Our depth chart for the next 3 years will look something like this (RFA's and guys under contract)

Huberdeau - Kadri - Coronato
Farebee - Frost - Sharagovich
Zary - x - x
Pospisil - x - x

Weegar - *Parehk*
Bahl - *Rasmus*
x - x

Wolf


Backlund, Lomberg are 1 more year. Coleman is 2 more years. There is a decent chance the rest stay around for 3 years as it doesn't seem like Conroy is keen to trade anyone on contract.
Parehk is the one prospect that I've shoed in, because he's shown elite level talent.

Realistically what does everyone think is the range of this team over the next 3 years? Young players will get better but the old players will get worse.


Feels like a 12th - 22nd team to me.


We'll need something to eventually kickstart us out.

I agree. Hopefully the Devils fall apart here but for me it really hurts that this team had 2 firsts going into this draft and it's looking that neither will be a top 12 pick. More wingers with potential is what will be left when we draft.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Groot

This fabricated notion that the goal and strategy of the franchise is and always has been, to sneak in the playoffs to collect that $2-$3M that a 1st round playoff game generates, is one of the dumbest things constantly repeated on this site.

Particularly as the team, until very recently, spent right up to the cap. That extra revenue barely covers the Markstrom retention. Flames fans are fortunate enough to have owners that regularly spend to win.

[Roof-Daddy]

I was hoping we'd get some high draft picks too, but it isn't happening at least not this year. The team isn't as bad as some of you thought it would be, and the goalie we have looks like he's going to be elite. Speaking of which, where did we draft him again? You can find elite talent everywhere in the draft.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think the plan is the same. Target players in that 22-25 year old range.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Andersson, Coleman, and maybe Kadri traded in the off season when there are more teams in the market for them. Right now, it's mostly just contenders looking for rentals and star players. In the off season there will be many more teams retooling for the next season.

The only deal that should have been on the table for the Flames was the Cozens deal, but Buffalo allegedly wanted Zary+ back. I'd be pretty apprehensive about pulling the trigger on that as well.

Will teams be trading those players for old declining players ? Probably not.

So how do we get them? Move out picks ?

That has been this organization problem since the lockout. Throw picks at the problems.

Getting those age range players also keeps us in contention for wild card spots but nothing more.

Even if we try to trade for elite players they will come at a time they are looking to cash in like a Rantanen or Huberdeau. Plus they are wingers.

Even cozen. He’s nothing special all he does is add to a logjam of middle 6 players. Chasing those trades doesn’t make a lot of sense when you have a bunch of them already.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by blankall

Particularly as the team, until very recently, spent right up to the cap. That extra revenue barely covers the Markstrom retention. Flames fans are fortunate enough to have owners that regularly spend to win.

The league also has a robust revenue sharing plan that allows teams to spend.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What is the plan tho?

We won't rebuild to get elite talent, and we only trade the vets when our hand is forced.

The teams above us keep adding, the teams below us are now emerging. A few will fall off probably keeping us from bottoming out.

The plan is to put their best foot forward.

When they have players like Andersson who are expiring, they will make a good faith effort to keep them, because a small market Canadian team cannot just let home grown Swedish national team defensemen leave if they want to stay at a reasonable number.

The players that are sold will be sold for a good return.

I would guess that a few guys could see the writing on the wall for what this team’s ceiling is, and quietly request moves in the summer, when there will be more cap space and a guy like Kadri will have a mere 4 years left on his deal.

They have an elite goalie. They are not going to be able to tank the way we thought they were. The good news is, they drafted a player who should’ve gone top-2 at 9.

They’ll be in another quasi platoon situation next year with Cooley, and injuries are always a possibility - an injury to Wolf and I’d guess they fall like a rock.

As long as they’re the lowest payroll team in the league, what else can they do?

They can’t lose on purpose or start Vladar 70% of the time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If you look at the point system I did above, there are 8 teams that have really good draft siutaions. Chi, SJ and Nashville are expected as they are the bottom 3.

Philly really jumps out to me though. They added to there draft today, they kept all there top players and have a rookie like Michkov. They are way more likley to add a star to their core in this draft than we are and also add depth to the prospect pool.

Seattle also added a ton to the value of their draft, have some young players playing very well that are new to the team. Didn't really give up any core players and aren't that much worse than we are but are way more likely to add stars to the core this draft

Montreal - ranks well ahead of us, also has a high-end rookie and didn't lose anyone that matters but has a way better draft than us.

1 trade today could have made a difference for the future and still allowed this team to make the playoffs. But that wasn't the goal to start the year, I get rewarding players but why not reward the Wranglers too, they are very good. Need to move bodies out to do that.

When the GM says the prices are high it sounds like he was looking to add. That should have been a good indicator to look at moving or seeing what we could get for some of these guys. Carlo getting that return we could have probably got something good for Andersson but it seems like he was not looking to move any bodies out.

Who cares about playoffs or not this year. It’s about icing a team that is consistently in the playoffs and a threat.

[Harry Lime]

Traptors lineup was two years out.

Three years out, you can add Misa, Gridin, Suniev, Grushnikov, Bruz and Porier.

Maybe all don't make it, but it's looking pretty good so far.

Year four, hopefully hit on a center, and you have a pretty dangerous team. It's not all doom and gloom.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by united

Great job by Conroy not carelessly expending any draft capital. Seemingly learned his lesson last year with the Okhotyuk move which is just fine for a first-time GM.

Done are the days of continually blowing assets to rent players who make no incremental difference. In isolation, none a big deal but in aggregate what a negligent waste of draft capital and no lessons learned.

8 games of Carpenter for a 5th.
29 games of Jarnkrok for a 2nd, a 3rd, a 7th.
17 games of Forbort for a 4th.
17 games of Gustafsson for a 3rd.
18 games of Fantenberg for a 4th.
9 games of Nick Shore for a 7th.

Elliott for a 2nd and a 3rd also comes to mind.

[camm13]

He also traded Jokipakka and a 2nd for Lazar. At the time, Lazar had 1 assist in 33 games with the sens

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Traptors lineup was two years out.

Three years out, you can add Misa, Gridin, Suniev, Grushnikov, Bruz and Porier.

Maybe all don't make it, but it's looking pretty good so far.

Year four, hopefully hit on a center, and you have a pretty dangerous team. It's not all doom and gloom.

I see an okay team. I dont see an elite team.

Wolf and Parehk could be stars

I just don't see the high end forward talent in the projected roster needed to br a contender.


Maybe coronato or gridin or someone becomes a superstar but its not apparent yet.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

They are missing a lot more then a top Center

They are the lowest scoring team and 23rd in goal differential

We are very very far away from where we need to get too

After 1 season of a 3-5 season rebuild plan? Who'da thunk it?

[My2Cents]

So my initial thoughts are slight disappointment. But probably only because trades are sexy and fun. We have no major UFA's to trade and its clear they arent rebuilding. Seeing the prices that were given out today it makes me dream of what we could have got if we tore it down. But overall hard to be too disappointed as this is in line with what the plan was. Not trading away for depth is really nice to see.

Still dont feel comfortable though. We are in a play off spot today but 3-4 teams nipping at us so its still going to be incredibly tough to get in.

[Coach]

I’m a big Andersson fan. Should have moved him. The prices were insane. If you can make a 1st+ out of an expiring Rasmus Andersson you do it.

[Macindoc]

Next step is the draft. Hopefully we will see a vet or two traded for picks.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

When the GM says the prices are high it sounds like he was looking to add. That should have been a good indicator to look at moving or seeing what we could get for some of these guys. Carlo getting that return we could have probably got something good for Andersson but it seems like he was not looking to move any bodies out.

Who cares about playoffs or not this year. It’s about icing a team that is consistently in the playoffs and a threat.

Fraser Minten and a late 1st round pick is not exactly a haul for Carlo. Do the Flames need another 20-25 pick? Should we have traded Rasmus for more middle 6 players and potential players? According to you in a different post that contradicts the trade Rasmus post the answer is no, we don’t need more middle six players like Minten.

I assume the only reason to trade Rasmus then would be to make the team worse?

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Will teams be trading those players for old declining players ? Probably not.

So how do we get them? Move out picks ?

That has been this organization problem since the lockout. Throw picks at the problems.

Getting those age range players also keeps us in contention for wild card spots but nothing more.

Even if we try to trade for elite players they will come at a time they are looking to cash in like a Rantanen or Huberdeau. Plus they are wingers.

Even cozen. He’s nothing special all he does is add to a logjam of middle 6 players. Chasing those trades doesn’t make a lot of sense when you have a bunch of them already.