Calder trophy Wolfy watch

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Ullmark turns into a pumpkin after leaving Boston.

Big surprise

And Swayman turns into one while staying...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The bias against rookie goaltenders in the Calder consideration isn’t a Flames thing, it’s an NHL thing. Lots of goalies have had really good rookies seasons in the last 16 years.

Shesterkin went 10-2 with a 0.932 SV% in his rookie season and didn’t get a sniff.

Nedeljkovic went 15-5-3 with a 0.932 SV% and he finished 5th in Calder voting.

It’s down to games played. Goalies don’t get serious consideration unless they play at least 45 games. Wolf is trending towards those numbers, but it’s early to project games played at this point.

Skinner was second a couple years ago.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Skinner was second a couple years ago.

Because there are several (shameless) Oiler hacks that get a vote.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The bias against rookie goaltenders in the Calder consideration isn’t a Flames thing, it’s an NHL thing. Lots of goalies have had really good rookies seasons in the last 16 years.

Shesterkin went 10-2 with a 0.932 SV% in his rookie season and didn’t get a sniff.

Nedeljkovic went 15-5-3 with a 0.932 SV% and he finished 5th in Calder voting.

It’s down to games played. Goalies don’t get serious consideration unless they play at least 45 games. Wolf is trending towards those numbers, but it’s early to project games played at this point.

12 and 23 games played. That's why.

If wolf starts 45 games and comes out with similar numbers he should get strong consideration.

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by looooob

uhoh Calgary Flames player getting attention for a major award- lets change the rules or create a new award, because we all know former 7th round undersized goalies playing on the Canadian prairies have many unfair advantages over the ultra famous first rounders playing in Philly and San Jose


a quick perusal (admittedly not with deep dive birthday checks) I think at least 5 or 6 teenage calder winners since the last goalie, with most other winners being 20 or 21



https://thehockeynews.com/news/how-a...nder-20-rookie


Take this season, for example. Dustin Wolf is a 23-year-old who had 18 games of NHL experience and 141 games in the American League going into this season. How are 19-year-old Matvei Michkov and 18-year-old Macklin Celebrini supposed to compete with that?

I wonder how the author feels about Panarin's win at age 25....

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Shesterkin went 10-2 with a 0.932 SV% in his rookie season and didn’t get a sniff. .

That's twelve games. Shesterkin was a rookie in 20-21 with 35 games and finished 5th in Calder voting.

Nedeljkovic went 15-5-3 with a 0.932 SV% and he finished 5th in Calder voting.

Alex Nedeljkovic 3rd in voting that same year

[Robbob]

If you can win a Vezina with sub 50 games, then a goalie should be able to win the Calder sub 50 games.

[Snuffleupagus]

Whether he wins the calder or not the stat that amazes me is he just loves to win.

Since turning pro Wolf has a 113-44-11 record, all his teammate goalies combined are 119-109-35.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because there are several (shameless) Oiler hacks that get a vote.

Skinner had Conn Smythe votes and one Oilery writer had no Panthers on their ballot

Skinner who didn't even start all playoff games with Pikard playing behind him

[Tkachukwagon]

Calder and Vezina

https://twitter.com/user/status/1861080643008090276

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Yeah why not. Just forego the rookie award that will inevitably go to some eastern forward and gun for the main goalie award.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Yeah why not. Just forego the rookie award that will inevitably go to some eastern forward and gun for the main goalie award.

Or. Preferably. DGAF about either one of them and just keep on kicking ass and taking names and let come what may.

[You Need a Thneed]

Obviously a few more days to go in this month, but checking the stats, Wolf has to have the rookie of the month close to locked up.

And he's absolutely in the running for a player of the month overall.

To date in November:

5-0-1, 1.62 GAA, 0.944 S%

[BigThief]

Does he push to make the American team if his hot play continues through December?

He'd be a lock for the team Canada starter

[getbak]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Does he push to make the American team if his hot play continues through December?

He'd be a lock for the team Canada starter

No because the rosters are being announced next Wednesday.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Does he push to make the American team if his hot play continues through December?

He'd be a lock for the team Canada starter

Hellebuyck and Oettinger are likely ahead of him in any case.

Stats wise, competing with Daccord and Stolarz for the third spot (if they take 3?). Several other guys that might be in consideration for third spot too, if they value something else, for example like experience (Quick)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Hellebuyck and Oettinger are likely ahead of him in any case.

Stats wise, competing with Daccord and Stolarz for the third spot (if they take 3?). Several other guys that might be in consideration for third spot too, if they value something else, for example like experience (Quick)

Stolarz is a mirage.

This year's Oilers PK

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Stolarz is a mirage.

This year's Oilers PK

Not sure I agree. Stolarz has been very good for a long time. He just has never shouldered a starter's workload before.

He's only posted a sv% below .917 in two seasons out of ten in the NHL.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

A starters workload is different.

But maybe they keep it to a split.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Locke

Or. Preferably. DGAF about either one of them and just keep on kicking ass and taking names and let come what may.

In order to help with the kicking ass, I volunteer to steal all the team's bubblegum.