[Rumour] Contract talks with Kylington progressing

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by zuluking

I don't believe that is a fact. It was speculated (Frank) that he was in Players' Assistance but that was already well into the season. One article I noticed said "Kylington sat all year on IR and was never formally announced to be placed in the NHLPA Player Assistance Program." The stated reason at the beginning of that season was that he was on leave for a "family situation" (or something like that.)

So, my two cents, there was nothing that prevented the Flames from requiring him to attend camp and, if not attending, take action with the league regarding his contract. Instead, they chose to accept the reason for his absence and support him throughout, regardless of whether or when Kylington chose to avail himself of the Players' Assistance Program.

Yeah, he was listed as on IR all season. Typically when players are in the assistance program, they are listed as in the program and not on IR. Frank could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

[DJones]

So does anyone know if insurance would cover him if he leaves again?

Assuming that would be a big obstacle for any long term contract. Maybe have it bonus focused by games played and points.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Aren't you a police officer? Maybe try to be as good of a person online as you are in real life.

So you claim you are not a returning banned poster yet you know this story that's like 5 years old? That's ok, I have seen this story many times. The first month or two you will try your best to not cross the line but inevitably you will. Of course you will just come back again under another name as per usual. The irony in a mental health thread of someone bringing up a major mental breakdown I went through to try and piss me off, your a real gem.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you claim you are not a returning banned poster yet you know this story that's like 5 years old? That's ok, I have seen this story many times. The first month or two you will try your best to not cross the line but inevitably you will. Of course you will just come back again under another name as per usual. The irony in a mental health thread of someone bringing up a major mental breakdown I went through to try and piss me off, your a real gem.

What story? I said you were a police officer. What story is attached to that? I literally have no idea. I remember reading you were a police officer. You seem to let your emotions get to you really quick so hopefully you can control them on the job.

Don't know why you're reading into things that don't exist.

[Robbob]

I think another good case study is the Patrik Berglund scenario. He walked away from the rest of his contract and buffalo didn't pay him.

The Sabres initially suspended Berglund for failing to report for a team flight and eventually terminated the remaining three-plus years on his contract.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...l-no-decision/

I don't think he entered any program, but I think that would have been different if the team worked with him. Buffalo didn't support him in any manner.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DJones

So does anyone know if insurance would cover him if he leaves again?

Assuming that would be a big obstacle for any long term contract. Maybe have it bonus focused by games played and points.

Teams only insure a couple contracts and this sure wouldn't be one.

The issues for the team won't be about loyalty one way or another - they will be about the risk of a long term contract, just like a player with potentially chronic physical injuries. Plus he hasn't really proven himself on the ice as a performer in a long term, consistent way (not his fault but true nontheless). I imagine they will offer a show me contract at a slight increase in pay.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think another good case study is the Patrik Berglund scenario. He walked away from the rest of his contract and buffalo didn't pay him.



https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...l-no-decision/

I don't think he entered any program, but I think that would have been different if the team worked with him. Buffalo didn't support him in any manner.

Berglund said he lost passion for the game and wasn't dealing with mental health issues so not really comparable at all.

He didn't even tell the team or any of his teammates he just stopped showing up.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

What story? I said you were a police officer. What story is attached to that? I literally have no idea. I remember reading you were a police officer. You seem to let your emotions get to you really quick so hopefully you can control them on the job.

Don't know why you're reading into things that don't exist.

How about you and I stay away from eachother for the good of the board? I won't comment on your posts and you do the same for me.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DJones

So does anyone know if insurance would cover him if he leaves again?

Assuming that would be a big obstacle for any long term contract. Maybe have it bonus focused by games played and points.

Insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions in any event.

And as someone posted, most contracts are not insured.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Berglund said he lost passion for the game and wasn't dealing with mental health issues so not really comparable at all.

He didn't even tell the team or any of his teammates he just stopped showing up.

It was mental health issues. There is a video in the link and a story done by Chris Johnson. He says it himself there. The problem is he wasn't supported and it wasn't identified at the time. His old team mates in STL saw it because he became disengaged completely after he left and they chatted with him.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It was mental health issues. There is a video in the link and a story done by Chris Johnson. He says it himself there. The problem is he wasn't supported and it wasn't identified at the time. His old team mates in STL saw it because he became disengaged completely after he left and they chatted with him.

Ah ok maybe he didn't know there was help available? When he initially left he said he lost passion for the game so maybe he didn't even know he was facing mental health issues.

I know some people are embarrassed about the stigma of mental health and it's why Kylington coming out and saying what he was dealing with I think is huge for other nhl players.

Glad berglund finally found peace.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Ah ok maybe he didn't know there was help available? When he initially left he said he lost passion for the game so maybe he didn't even know he was facing mental health issues.

I know some people are embarrassed about the stigma of mental health and it's why Kylington coming out and saying what he was dealing with I think is huge for other nhl players.

Glad berglund finally found peace.

Yeah, I think in his case the change caused him a lot a lot of anxiety and things spiraled. With a new team he probably didn't have any support structure like he had in St Louis. I think this is where the Flames did a good job where they were supportive. Maybe Buffalo would have done better if they knew the player a bit more. They were a young team and Eichel was a very young captain and this was probably way over his head.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I'm really glad I don't work for some of you.

And after reading this thread, I feel like I do work for most of you haha.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

And after reading this thread, I feel like I do work for most of you haha.

The corporate world is very cruel, can’t do your job, get qualified for disability or they fire your ass
It’s even worse for blue collar.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Piss off, do you even read the FOI forum? I only ever see your posts in the off topic forum. How can you take offence to me calling ZM a troll when you admitted you don't even know his posting history?? Some of us would like to talk hockey without someone constantly derailing everything with their bs posts. By defending him you are encouraging him to continue his behavior. You do know this is a returning banned poster right?

I have a life outside this message board and don't spend a lot of time on here anymore. Yes I read the FOI and I post on it when I feel I have something to say. At the same time I don't have time for these childish games of someone being called a troll or a possible banned returning poster. Further to that WTF would I care about his posting history or anyone else for that matter??? All that childish crap takes away from the discussions at hand.

Some people take this place to serious and that includes you

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have a life outside this message board and don't spend a lot of time on here anymore. Yes I read the FOI and I post on it when I feel I have something to say. At the same time I don't have time for these childish games of someone being called a troll or a possible banned returning poster. Further to that WTF would I care about his posting history or anyone else for that matter??? All that childish crap takes away from the discussions at hand.

Some people take this place to serious and that includes you

Then maybe you should have just stayed out of it Dion.

[Yanda]

I dont think we need to worry about him leaving the team again, I heard some rumors as to what happened and I understand why it isnt talked about.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The corporate world is very cruel, can’t do your job, get qualified for disability or they fire your ass
It’s even worse for blue collar.

Sorry your boss sucks.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you claim you are not a returning banned poster yet you know this story that's like 5 years old? That's ok, I have seen this story many times. The first month or two you will try your best to not cross the line but inevitably you will. Of course you will just come back again under another name as per usual. The irony in a mental health thread of someone bringing up a major mental breakdown I went through to try and piss me off, your a real gem.

He's either a banned poster or someone with a multiple personality disorder, I think the latter.

[442scotty]

It sure seems odd. If everything is so warm and fuzzy between team and player shouldn’t the re-signing have been done a long time ago? Maybe it’s not going to work out.