2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt Kuz is movable until the trade deadline due to a large cap hit vs. Production.

While the cap is going up, most teams are still cap strapped. And teams with cap likely aren’t’t interested in trading prospects/picks for a rental.

Marky, of course, is a desired commodity that teams in need will make room for.

I wouldn't trade Kuz until next deadline anyhow. Feed him lots of minutes and PP1 time and he is going to score a lot of goals, you will get a significant rental return at the deadline if he is on pace for 30-40 goals or more.

[Wastedyouth]

Nvm.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I wouldn't trade Kuz until next deadline anyhow. Feed him lots of minutes and PP1 time and he is going to score a lot of goals, you will get a significant rental return at the deadline if he is on pace for 30-40 goals or more.

Or keep him around.
You do need to have some players that fans enjoy. And he's already become a bit of a fan favorite.
But I agree overall - give him the opportunities and maintain the optionality to keep him or flip him for a strong return.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt Kuz is movable until the trade deadline due to a large cap hit vs. Production.

While the cap is going up, most teams are still cap strapped. And teams with cap likely aren’t’t interested in trading prospects/picks for a rental.

Marky, of course, is a desired commodity that teams in need will make room for.

Well he's producing at a 55 point pace in Calgary colours, so I don't see his production as a problem.

But otherwise agree, he's a deadline move and unlikely guy to sign.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is not how I would say it but there is some truth to the notion that the organization only trades players that want out. There have been very very few exceptions to this since Darryl Sutter was GM.

If you buy into the notion that Conroy had a deal for Markstrom and it was nixed by ownership then that gives you an idea from where that philosophy comes.

I don't agree with rudderless exactly. If they make good use of their picks, and hit on the prospects they acquired, then the direction looks good.

The only player I was really worried about was Lindholm, and even then I was less worried before this season began.

They didn't really make an attempt to sign either of Zadorov or Toffoli ... their wanting out came after not seeing long term deal offers.

And I was actually fine with Backlund on a short deal, Tanev the same, and keeping Hanfin.

So really it comes down to Lindholm in my mind as the "please stay ..." player that rejected them luckily.

[devo22]

Re-signing Lindholm was a sensible option even six months ago. Our second best scorer last season, RH center, penalty killer. You can question whether it would have made sense to hand out another 8 year deal to a 28/29 year old, but based on his production and player profile, it made sense to at least entertain the idea if it made sense financially. Well, it didn't and then Lindholm seemed to check out. So with the benefit of hindsight, the idea of re-signing him seems crazy from today's standpoint ... summer/fall 2023, maybe not so much.

Glad how it all played out, mind you. To me, the trade to Vancouver is Conroy's finest deal so far (although I really like the Toffoli trade as well).

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by devo22

Re-signing Lindholm was a sensible option even six months ago. Our second best scorer last season, RH center, penalty killer. You can question whether it would have made sense to hand out another 8 year deal to a 28/29 year old, but based on his production and player profile, it made sense to at least entertain the idea if it made sense financially. Well, it didn't and then Lindholm seemed to check out. So with the benefit of hindsight, the idea of re-signing him seems crazy from today's standpoint ... summer/fall 2023, maybe not so much.

Glad how it all played out, mind you. To me, the trade to Vancouver is Conroy's finest deal so far (although I really like the Toffoli trade as well).

Coming into this season I was leary on Lindholm with his age and the Kadri contract. Even wished they didn't sign Kadri so they could sign Lindholm.

Funny how a season can change the fortunes of two players so drastically.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Coming into this season I was leary on Lindholm with his age and the Kadri contract. Even wished they didn't sign Kadri so they could sign Lindholm.

Funny how a season can change the fortunes of two players so drastically.

same. I hated the Kadri contract the minute it was signed, especially coupled with the Monahan trade to make room. But Naz has been really good this season, so credit where it's due. Never anticipated Lindholm to nosedive this hard, especially in a contract year.

[Shazam]

Team is going to be pretty close to the salary floor next year.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Thank you everyone for explaining the conditions around Florida's 1st. I was hoping there was a chance the flames could have both Vegas' 1st and Florida's 1st in 2026.
My hopes and dreams have been crushed like an Oilers fan excited to buy that new pair of sweatpants that will never go on sale.

There is a chance they could have both Vegas and Florida's 2026 first rounders... If Florida's 2025 pick is top-10, they will keep it and the Flames will get their 2026 pick with no conditions.

[BigThief]

The Lindholm trade tree has the potential to look excellent for Conroy; get a player with the pick and flip Kuzmenko if he rebounds.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Team is going to be pretty close to the salary floor next year.

If the cap rises to $87.5 million, as expected, the floor will be around $65 million.

As it stands, with a few pending free agents for next year, they already have over $68.8 million in cap hits on the books for next season. Even if they trade Markstrom and run with Wolf and Vladar next season, they still shouldn't have any problems reaching the floor once Kylington, Okhotiuk, and Pelletier are extended.

The nice thing about that is it means they won't feel compelled to overpay guys this summer just to hit the floor on opening day.

[bigrangy]

This is all assuming Kadri would be interested. If he isn’t then it’s a fun thought experiment I suppose.

Comparing Kadri to the Hertl return has me thinking. What would the mood be if it was Kadri (250k retained) and 2 3rds for the Vegas package (Edstrom and 2025 1st)?

Kadri has one less year of contract, is fully healthy, has comparable production (recently), but is 3 years older.

I’d be disappointed to retain so little and tie up the retention slot for that long for that but otherwise I think it would work for everyone. It would certainly open up the center position even wider than it already is here.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I was not impressed with the Hertl return for SJ.

[Bingo]

Yeah I don't see Kadri as an unmovable asset anymore.

With retention he probably brings in some decent assets.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

This is all assuming Kadri would be interested. If he isn’t then it’s a fun thought experiment I suppose.

Comparing Kadri to the Hertl return has me thinking. What would the mood be if it was Kadri (250k retained) and 2 3rds for the Vegas package (Edstrom and 2025 1st)?

Kadri has one less year of contract, is fully healthy, has comparable production (recently), but is 3 years older.

I’d be disappointed to retain so little and tie up the retention slot for that long for that but otherwise I think it would work for everyone. It would certainly open up the center position even wider than it already is here.

I would be shocked if Kadri gets traded this offseason. I don't think either side is interested in that happening.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well he's producing at a 55 point pace in Calgary colours, so I don't see his production as a problem.

But otherwise agree, he's a deadline move and unlikely guy to sign.

55 points while getting premium ice time and PP time does not equate to solid production.

Especially since defence is not a large part of his game.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

55 points while getting premium ice time and PP time does not equate to solid production.

Especially since defence is not a large part of his game.

He doesn't get premium ice time and the PP is a disaster.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

55 points while getting premium ice time and PP time does not equate to solid production.

Especially since defence is not a large part of his game.

he's playing 13:56 minutes per game including 11:27 in even strength. That's hardly "premium ice time" ... and the less said about our PP in general, the better.

I think a 55 point pace is pretty decent, all things considered. Small sample size, obviously. But you'd hope he gets even more comfortable with time, and if we can somehow fix the PP for next season, he'll be fine.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah I don't see Kadri as an unmovable asset anymore.

With retention he probably brings in some decent assets.

I think you can look at it as a Tomas Hertl-lite style move, with maybe some minor retention ($1M?)

Nazem Kadri + depth pick for 1st + good prosect

If he feels less than inclined to stick around these parts.