[Trade] Habs trade Monahan to the Jets for a 2024 1st and cond 2027 3rd

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Montreal with the best trade tree in NHL history?


Montreal gets:
- 2 x 1sts
- Cond 3rd
- 1.5 years of Monahan

Montreal gives up:
- Nothing

my goodness, that is INSANE asset management.

[CSharp]

This is nuts that the Habs get 2 frickin 1st rounders for Monahan. That's a frickin Jedi of a GM in Montreal!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CSharp

This is nuts that the Habs get 2 frickin 1st rounders for Monahan. That's a frickin Jedi of a GM in Montreal!

He’s no wizard. That’s for sure.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

General Managers should never be allowed to operate in the final year of their contract.

Re-sign, or fire.

This is so true. Applies anywhere in business (and life!).

There are so many resources out there to learn about aligning incentives.

Not sure how John Bean has a job at this point.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Montreal with the best trade tree in NHL history?


Montreal gets:
- 2 x 1sts
- Cond 3rd
- 1.5 years of Monahan

Montreal gives up:
- Nothing

Montreal gives up:
- 1/2 a season of Monahan
- Roughly 7 million dollars

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I was shocked when the Flames gave up a first to get rid of Monahan, and I am shocked the Habs received a first to give up Monahan. Crazy.

Hopefully this shows all buyers that firsts need to be in play for any competent add at the trade deadline. Tanev should actually get a first.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by CSharp

This is nuts that the Habs get 2 frickin 1st rounders AND 1.5 years of Monahan for nothing. That's a frickin Jedi of a GM in Montreal!

Correction

[Nelson]

Definitely one of the worst trades in franchise history.

MTL got so much and gave up nothing.

We lose a 1st in 24/25/26, and in the unlikely situation that FLA's 25 1st is a lottery pick, we could lose a top-10 25 1st (!!!) or lose an additional pick. And what do we have to show for it? We have a 33 year old who is making $7M against the cap for 5 more years after this one.

I always liked Brad Treliving on a personal level, but this trade has always been awful.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I feel like the Flames have kind of done it with Kuzmenko, but I would really love us to take advantage of cap strapped teams this offseason by taking on 1-2 year cap dumps in exchange for picks, and then potentially trading those cap dumps at the deadline.

Yeah, it would be nice if they can squeeze a second or something out of him next year.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Guessing that was directed at me.

At least I'm consistent. I'm not all over the guy now that he's no longer the team's GM.

I see him as a pretty smart guy with integrity, not as Machiavellian agent of destruction that many do.

Doesn't add up.

I doubt more than two people here think he was trying to sabotage the Flames before leaving. That’s just dumb.

He was purely incompetent though. Remember, this terrible Monahan trade wasn’t even his worst move. Probably not even top 5 worst moves.

Hamonic trade, Neil signing, Brouwer signing, GG hire, Peters hire, Ward promotion, Tkachuk bridge, letting Johnny get to free agency, Huberdeau contract. All of these could be argued as worse. And I probably forgot some.

Also, as a side note, being consistent in an opinion isn’t a good thing. As you get new information you should be adjusting your previous opinions.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Montreal gives up:
- 1/2 a season of Monahan
- Roughly 7 million dollars

Yeah, a lot of people are overlooking that. They paid him $6 million (minus escrow) last year for 25 games played.

Even paying him $2 million this season was a risk for them.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, a lot of people are overlooking that. They paid him $6 million (minus escrow) last year for 25 games played.

Even paying him $2 million this season was a risk for them.

To be fair to MTL, it was a risk that worked out very well for them.

[FanIn80]

Two things:

1. I don't know why some people are shocked that MTL got a 1st for Monny. They were already expected to get a 1st before the Lindholm trade, but once that trade went down and Monahan became the #1 C on the market, the bidding war around what was included WITH the 1st kicked in (which WPG obviously won).

2. I think we might be the first team in NHL history to pay a team two 1st round picks (and a conditional 3rd) for the privilege of signing an UNRISTRICTED free agent. Especially when the player we signed has never had anything to do with that team ever (ie. acquiring the negotiation rights a week before FA starts, etc).

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

When Treliving traded Monahan to MTL, there were still questions if he can rebound following his injury. It made sense at the time. Seeing that he has indeed rebounded, it warrants adding a pick.

If Treliving was trading a 35 pts in 49 games Monahan, and not a 23 pts in 65 games Monahan, he wouldn't need to throw a first in?

Sure but Montreal was willing to take a chance. If the price to trade Monahan was a 1st round pick, it was better to keep him. But Trev basically traded Monahan and a 1st for Kadri.

[Hackey]

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[Johnny Makarov]

I would be shocked if Mr. Glass wasn't injured before the end of the season/playoffs

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I doubt more than two people here think he was trying to sabotage the Flames before leaving. That’s just dumb.

He was purely incompetent though. Remember, this terrible Monahan trade wasn’t even his worst move. Probably not even top 5 worst moves.

Hamonic trade, Neil signing, Brouwer signing, GG hire, Peters hire, Ward promotion, Tkachuk bridge, letting Johnny get to free agency, Huberdeau contract. All of these could be argued as worse. And I probably forgot some.

Also, as a side note, being consistent in an opinion isn’t a good thing. As you get new information you should be adjusting your previous opinions.

I'm happy to disagree on views of Treliving.

Not sure I needed the condescending side note.

Pretty sure I haven't made it into my 50s as a productive adult without changing an opinion or two. I think I was pretty clearly suggesting some dump their opinions the second the topic isn't Flames property (both in against, and more insanely in support).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That just isn't the case. Monahan likely walks for nothing.

The actual deal from the Flames perspective was:

Monahan + 1st for Kadri

Montreal got the extra 1st for re-signing Monahan at a bargain, when no other teams were outbidding them.

Kadri could still even turn into an asset. At the very least, he looks like an amazing influence on Zary.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I would be shocked if Mr. Glass wasn't injured before the end of the season/playoffs

The guy had horrific injuries.

Not sure why you need to insult him on top of it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Two things:

1. I don't know why some people are shocked that MTL got a 1st for Monny. They were already expected to get a 1st before the Lindholm trade, but once that trade went down and Monahan became the #1 C on the market, the bidding war around what was included WITH the 1st kicked in (which WPG obviously won).

2. I think we might be the first team in NHL history to pay a team two 1st round picks (and a conditional 3rd) for the privilege of signing an UNRISTRICTED free agent. Especially when the player we signed has never had anything to do with that team ever (ie. acquiring the negotiation rights a week before FA starts, etc).

All it says to me is that teams are overpaying. The Flames are in sell mode, so that's a huge win. Sell sell sell! Hanifin and Tanev next! Maybe even Mangiapane, Backlund, Markstrom, and Kadri!