12-28-2023, 11:59 AM
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#161
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Chingas
Backlund was the most pedestrian player on the ice tonight. Huberdau doesn't skate when he has the puck. Kadri only skates when he has the puck. 3 big reasons why this team didn't have enough tonight.
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Well said. Carrying the puck into the offensive zone is the problem. To me the team is more mobile in offence when they are killing a penalty. Once 5 on 5 everyone is stationery except Zary.
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12-28-2023, 12:13 PM
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#162
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs
Outside of Hubredeau I don’t think anyone is really playing below their level and plenty who are playing better than expected.
This is just not a good group of players, there isn’t much more to get out of them.
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So you think Lindholm is a 50 point C? You think Dillon Dube is not even an NHL calibre forward? You think Mangiapane is a 15 goal scorer? Ya, ok.
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12-28-2023, 12:55 PM
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#163
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by butterfly
We are giving up more goals per game than the Oilers with a superior defense, three 2-way Cs, top 5 PK, and according to some, goaltending from Markstrom that is worth more than $6M/year.
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Your relentlessness on this point is astounding, but at least try to be accurate.
Flames' GA/G: 3.23
Oilers' GA/P: 3.42
Markstrom: 2.74
Vladar......: 3.40
Wolf.........: 3.46
Skinner....: 3.04
Markstrom isn't the problem.
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12-28-2023, 01:10 PM
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#164
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
No, nonsense is thinking systems don't effect how a team wins or loses. The wrong system for the players you are icing will not lead to success. If the Vegas Golden Knights played Huska's perimeter no traffic system they would be where we are. Pretty much every hockey expert predicted the Flames to be at least a WC team this year looking at their talent, I think I will take their read on the roster with a little more weight than yours.
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100+ games is what I’m basing my read on. I’m not proclaiming to be out experting the experts.
I bet if you checked with the experts now, the opinion would be closer to mine than their original.
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12-28-2023, 01:37 PM
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#165
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Goriders
I’d put Dube, Mangiapane, Ruzicka below par as a start.
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Ruzicka isn’t a good player and has been inconsistent his whole career. I think this is what he is.
Mangiapane likewise very inconsistent. I think if you think he is the 35 goal guy he was in his heater year you will always be disappointed.
Dube is disappointing but not sure that is a coaching/system issue and more of a pkayer issue.
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12-28-2023, 01:43 PM
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#166
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Dube took a big step last year. He has dissappeared this year.
I think Mangiapane is a 25 goal guy
I agree on Ruzicka. Honestly not sure why he is up with the team. Betting he won’t be when Pelletier is back
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12-28-2023, 05:22 PM
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#167
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Your relentlessness on this point is astounding, but at least try to be accurate.
Flames' GA/G: 3.23
Oilers' GA/P: 3.42
Markstrom: 2.74
Vladar......: 3.40
Wolf.........: 3.46
Skinner....: 3.04
Markstrom isn't the problem.
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Apologies; I divided by the wrong column when I was calculating it.
Will expand on the Markstrom point later.
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12-28-2023, 05:40 PM
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#168
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
So you think Lindholm is a 50 point C? You think Dillon Dube is not even an NHL calibre forward? You think Mangiapane is a 15 goal scorer? Ya, ok.
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I think that Mangipane is a streaky guy so not even halfway through the year I think it isn't surprising he is not doing well.
Lindholm is a 60 point guy without Johnny and Monahan/Tkachuk so not far off what he should be expected to get.
Dube is a 3rd liner who can dip down to his 4th liner level especially with the outside factors in his off ice life.
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12-28-2023, 05:55 PM
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#169
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goriders
Dube took a big step last year. He has dissappeared this year.
I think Mangiapane is a 25 goal guy
I agree on Ruzicka. Honestly not sure why he is up with the team. Betting he won’t be when Pelletier is back
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I noticed Magiapane either fumbles the puck or he get angled into the board easily. He just does not show the speedy entry which he head a season ago. What happened to his hockey ability is a mystery.
Dube, it is hard to watch. He is just doing nothing.
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12-28-2023, 07:40 PM
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#170
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by butterfly
Yes, you’re right. We are giving up seven one-hundredths of a goal per game fewer than the Oilers.
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Check your math. It’s 3.43 for Edmonton and 3.23 for Calgary.
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12-28-2023, 07:57 PM
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#171
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Check your math. It’s 3.43 for Edmonton and 3.23 for Calgary.
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Again, I apologize. I was using the wrong column to divide it.
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12-28-2023, 08:32 PM
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#172
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by butterfly
Again, I apologize. I was using the wrong column to divide it.
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You can see GA/GP on NHL.com/stats and choose teams.
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12-28-2023, 10:16 PM
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#173
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
So you think Lindholm is a 50 point C? You think Dillon Dube is not even an NHL calibre forward? You think Mangiapane is a 15 goal scorer? Ya, ok.
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Without quality linemates, Lindholm is a 50-60 point centre.
Dube is an undersized bottom six NHL forward who has no defining characteristics. He’s not fast like Byron, he’s not a tank like Gerbe, he doesn’t have magic hands or elite hockey sense.
As for 88 - you could spend four hours at the Oval and not see someone fall over untouched as often as Mangiapane.
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12-28-2023, 10:24 PM
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#174
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Dube is fast, he doesn't seem to use it properly though
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12-28-2023, 10:36 PM
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#175
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Dube is fast, he doesn't seem to use it properly though
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I haven’t seen him beat anyone to the outside this year, unlike previous years.
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12-28-2023, 10:45 PM
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#176
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Dube is fast, he doesn't seem to use it properly though
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Kylington is fast. Dube is a decent skater. If Mangiapane could skate like Dube, he’d be the player everyone wishes he was.
Whatever speed Dube possesses does not cause the opposition any difficulty, and at a certain point, not using it correctly is the same as not having it at all.
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12-28-2023, 10:55 PM
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#177
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Dube is fast, he doesn't seem to use it properly though
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He uses it like twice a game. Otherwise is nowhere to be seen.
His motor could stand to burn a bit more oil over 60 minutes.
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01-01-2024, 05:22 AM
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#178
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