[Rumour] Francis: All contract talks on hold for Flames

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Nine games should not change the course of the team’s plan. That’s a problem. If it takes only nine games to make you change your mind in your strategic plan, then your plan was crap to begin with.

But it's not 9 games, it's 91 games. This team is largely the same as last year that clearly wasn't good enough. They've taken another step back this year and have an aging core.

This is 100% the correct decision. The wrong move would be to look at these "nine games" (lol) and decide to keep trying with it.

It's beyond obvious this team doesn't have it. They absolutely cannot compete for a Stanley Cup. No way.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He'd be the best center to hit UFA in ages and has a reputation of a two way guy. Some GM will overpay. Boston has a tonne of room next year

A rep? I think that only works with Treliving.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let's not confuse 'plan' with 'script'.

Some (well, Lanny) think this means the team doesn't have a plan, but what they are really suggesting is that the plan should be written in ink and should never have to change. But that is wildly unrealistic, when you're dealing with people and trying to build a team.

A 'script' says 'this is what we are going to do'. A 'plan' has multiple contingencies, and occasionally requires pivoting. Especially in a situation like the Flames are in, where they have multiple UFAs, and they need to determine how many of them they re-sign.

Personally, I am very glad to hear they have made this decision (and I think it is exactly the decision they needed to make)

Posters like Lanny seem to think a plan is a precise and, most importantly, accurate prediction of the future. That prediction must also align completely with their own prediction.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You know, I see you make this post in so many threads where a rebuild, or the venture of, is being calmly discussed, and the only thing it ever does is rile people up unnecessarily.

I just made it for the first time today. It shows the time stamp right on it.

[klikitiklik]

So happy to hear this.


This at least gives me hope and reason to keep watching.


I love my Flames but despise this groups effort and chemistry. We have a solid core to build around. Just hopeful that Connie is the right man to do it.


I'm optimistic.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Omg man!!! Haha your Panthers fixation is just bonkers, lol.

?? he and another poster brought them up guy

I'm not wrong though...short of a historic goalie performance their team is worse too. Numbers don't lie. I mean if the Pens beat the Hawks in game 81 its not even a controversial post at all.



Like do you just follow me around and talk ####? your dino7c fixation is bonkers man

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am trying to look at what has happened as a positive. I think it was reasonable for the Flames to think the team would bounce back as I a sure the message was overwhelmingly clear that Sutter was the problem in their eyes. Seeing how this team has come out in the new season is showing at least me that Sutter got more out of this group than they would be capable without him.

The good vibes are quickly washed away and this roster looks ready for an overhaul. I do fear the path is going to be trying to add win now talent instead of high picks but I also don’t trust much of what Francis has to say as much of what he puts out there is opinion and not fact. The quote that Sportsnetnhas learned the talks are gold is something I believe but the rest is just opinion that more times than not is wrong.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Dube should be the pieces that go between now and the deadline then look at bigger deals in the offseason. If Markstrom regains his value that makes a ton of sense. I would mind getting out of Weegar’s deal. I am not sure there is a future for Mangiapane on this roster if he wants the same or more money on an extension. Maybe grant Backlund his wish to go elsewhere but none of those moves are as pressing as the pending free agents.

I am comforted by the fact that win-now trades don't typically occur mid-season as teams that are trying to win-now don't want to give up players on their roster (leaving aside selling your player for spare parts - which I am praying that Conroy is smart enough to avoid). I am also comforted by the discussion that Conroy has had multiple times about growing the team through the draft and Iginla asking how many draft picks are too many. They can call it whatever they want - retool, rebuild, recovery - emphasize drafting and growing talent with the occasional smart signing.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Posters like Lanny seem to think a plan is a precise and, most importantly, accurate prediction of the future. That prediction must also align completely with their own prediction.

The plan was probably to see how the first few games went and assess from there. Even no plan is a plan.

[dino7c]

NHL teams should be making adjustments day to day and game to game

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Shazam

A rep? I think that only works with Treliving.

Overpaying UFAs is one of the constants in the NHL. 2016 is the best example of it.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2019/06/24/a...ightmare-fuel/

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Lanny is so far off the mark; this shows that Conroy can adapt and change his plan, not that he doesn't have one. It's not just that the Flames are off to a bad start, it's how utterly listless they are. They're hot garbage, barely showing up.

Hopefully he can do better than the Toffoli trade.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Overpaying UFAs is one of the constants in the NHL. 2016 is the best example of it.

https://thewincolumn.ca/2019/06/24/a...ightmare-fuel/

Yes thanks I am aware of previous UFA signings.

[dino7c]

Or we could be like the Oilers with two wins in November acting like its all good and they aren't wasting the final 2 years of McDrai

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Or we could be like the Oilers with two wins in November acting like its all good and they aren't wasting the final 2 years of McDrai

The two teams should just trade all their players to each other. Breath of fresh air for everyone.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Lanny is so far off the mark; this shows that Conroy can adapt and change his plan, not that he doesn't have one. It's not just that the Flames are off to a bad start, it's how utterly listless they.

Exactly. Regardless of what you expected from this team before the season started, it is impossible to ignore the utter lack of compete and listless effort. You can't have watched these 9 games and think all is fine. THAT would be concerning.

[St. Pats]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Nothing good will happen until we get Markstrom off this team. Call up Wolf and Dansk

Yeah the UFA's have to be dealt with but this is the first trade I would make for sure. He is playing well and you will get a good return. Plus we actually have a good young goalie who can come up and play the backup role. This what good sports franchises do as in sell when hot.



So yeah they will sit on him till he loses 10 in a row. Flames do Flames things ya know.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

People getting too hung up on language again.

Rebuild, re-tool, re-purpose, whatever... it's happening.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Or you see it as 91 games with the same core, and that Sutter may not have been the full problem.

Now you have a team that has to play .600 to get a sniff of the playoffs and you have 4 expiring contracts.

You have to be nimble.

What are you trying to hint at...

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My problem with a re-tool inevitably turning into a rebuild is that we should be trying to avoid the problem we faced exiting the Iginla era where we actually have nothing to show for trading the likes of Iginla and Bouwmeester because we waited too long and the value we got in return for them was abysmal.

If we had entered the Gaudreau/Tkachuk era with even one more key/core piece, maybe this team's fortunes change.

Right now, I fear that if we try re-tool trades with Lindholm/Hanifin, we will eventually be starting our next rebuild with even fewer assets/future pieces than our last.

We should be looking to liquidate their value now rather than liquidating the assets we get in return for them in 2-3 years.

I do get that. There is risk, but in the current market you aren't getting value for the players currently. If they can do a hockey trade, they can at least trade one of the expiring contract with one that expires later with the hope that the market corrects it self a bit. I do think that it is a bit different than the iggy era just because of the age of some of the players on the expiring contracts.

At the end of the day it will be interesting to go back in a few years and look at the trade tree.

[dino7c]

"the only way to properly rebuild is to suck for 12 years and still be a bubble team"

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