[Signing] Matthew Phillips to Capitals 1yr 1 way $775K

[blankall]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its weird how its the Flames fault because they dont give chances to guys like Philips.

Yet, that very same draft they picked a guy like Dube who isnt exactly a huge dude, but funnily enough showed well in training camps and also has progressed each season.

The previous season and again in the 6th round just like Philips, took an undersized Mangiapane who also came to camps and actually earned some attention and eventually a spot....and all that without the team "leaving spots open for young guys"....onstead, he made them make room for him with stellar defensive play and eventually some offense as well.

So is it just some weird personal vendetta by the whole organization against the guy or just maybe his game simply wasnt good enough when given the chance to show it?

Dube was a second round pick and further ahead in his development. He was also the last forward prospect to jump up full time and did so in 2018/19. That team was full of depth guys the Flames had drafted, Hathaway, Jankowski, Bennett, Valimaki, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Andersson, Mangiapane, Dube, etc... Were all recent draft picks at that point.

After that season, the Flames started giving their prospects more development time... Then no NHL time at all. Maybe they were worried they'd screwed up Bennett and Jankowski by not giving them enough time in the AHL? But they obviously went way to far the other way.

[CFO]

Didn't dube also captain world Juniors?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CFO

Didn't dube also captain world Juniors?

Yes.

The last Flames draft pick to get substantial playing time in the NHL was Valimaki and only because he is playing for a different organization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_draft_picks

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by blankall

Dube was a second round pick and further ahead in his development. He was also the last forward prospect to jump up full time and did so in 2018/19. That team was full of depth guys the Flames had drafted, Hathaway, Jankowski, Bennett, Valimaki, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Andersson, Mangiapane, Dube, etc... Were all recent draft picks at that point.

After that season, the Flames started giving their prospects more development time... Then no NHL time at all. Maybe they were worried they'd screwed up Bennett and Jankowski by not giving them enough time in the AHL? But they obviously went way to far the other way.

It's was more than a change in player development policy, it was a change in draft policy. The after they picked Phillips, they traded away two 1sts, Four 2nds, and Three 3rds.

it cleared out the amount of prospects competing for spots. At the same time it made otherwise average prospects the best prospect in the system.

This is part of the reason folks were excited about Phillips, for a while he has been the brightest offensive prospect on the team ( before Coronato).

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by blankall

Yes.

The last Flames draft pick to get substantial playing time in the NHL was Valimaki and only because he is playing for a different organization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_draft_picks

Did he not play a ton when Ward was here?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Yes.

The last Flames draft pick to get substantial playing time in the NHL was Valimaki and only because he is playing for a different organization.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...es_draft_picks

Flames didn’t draft until the 4th round the year after Valimaki. The 2019 first round draft pick was Pelletier and he got 24 games as a 21 year old. Likely will get more this year. Ruzicka was 2017 like Valimaki and he got over half a season last year.

Unless guys are blue chippers they aren’t playing within a couple years of the draft. Only 15 players in Pelletier’s draft who were drafted behind him have played more games, and a lot are not significant differences.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am not saying that it is or that it isn't, but it sure FEELS like Dustin Boyd all over again.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by blankall

Dube was a second round pick and further ahead in his development. He was also the last forward prospect to jump up full time and did so in 2018/19. That team was full of depth guys the Flames had drafted, Hathaway, Jankowski, Bennett, Valimaki, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Andersson, Mangiapane, Dube, etc... Were all recent draft picks at that point.

After that season, the Flames started giving their prospects more development time... Then no NHL time at all. Maybe they were worried they'd screwed up Bennett and Jankowski by not giving them enough time in the AHL? But they obviously went way to far the other way.

None of which prevented ANY player in the organization from making enough of an impression in camp or during their regular seasons to get a longer look or grabbing the attention of the decision makers.

[MrSector9]

Only in Calgary would people be glad a guy that was 5th in points and 2nd in goals in the league is gone.

Did the playoff run not produce, sort of… but the other teams executed properly, they took him out any chance they could and kept him covered in the first series games, he would attempt to set up plays for others instead of playing the puck as much, I think the missed opportunity is the team working more off his setup/playmaking through regular season for the other players.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by MrSector9

Only in Calgary would people be glad a guy that was 5th in points and 2nd in goals in the league is gone.

Did the playoff run not produce, sort of… but the other teams executed properly, they took him out any chance they could and kept him covered in the first series games, he would attempt to set up plays for others instead of playing the puck as much, I think the missed opportunity is the team working more off his setup/playmaking through regular season for the other players.

We are not glad he is gone, some of us are just unsurprised and not upset.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MrSector9

Only in Calgary would people be glad a guy that was 5th in points and 2nd in goals in the league is gone.

Did the playoff run not produce, sort of… but the other teams executed properly, they took him out any chance they could and kept him covered in the first series games, he would attempt to set up plays for others instead of playing the puck as much, I think the missed opportunity is the team working more off his setup/playmaking through regular season for the other players.

Not sure a single person has claimed this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MrSector9

Only in Calgary would people be glad a guy that was 5th in points and 2nd in goals in the league is gone.

Did the playoff run not produce, sort of… but the other teams executed properly, they took him out any chance they could and kept him covered in the first series games, he would attempt to set up plays for others instead of playing the puck as much, I think the missed opportunity is the team working more off his setup/playmaking through regular season for the other players.

Straw man alert.

[Knut]

Does he become Jason Morgan or Paul Byron ?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Knut

Does he become Jason Morgan or Paul Byron ?

The thing with Byron is that he was a very good PKer. Even if his offense was streaky, you could throw him on a PK unit and get value. Phillips is all offense.

[Azure]

Not glad he's gone, but not sure how people think he should get a 1 way contract.

[Flamesfan05]

Phillips looked at the Flames roster and decided no way he can make the team

The Flames may not have top end talent but there are at least 10 guys that can easily beat him for top 9 positions on the roster

And he is no use as a 4th line scrub

[Paulie Walnuts]

The team bringing the Brad Richardson and Pitlick types always hindered the chances of the rookies breaking through. Not to mention the stupid PTO given out.

Singing guys to a PTO you almost have to give them ice time and a chance or you won't be singing them anymore that takes away from the prospects pushing to get in. How much can they show in 1 hour drills?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The team bringing the Brad Richardson and Pitlick types always hindered the chances of the rookies breaking through. Not to mention the stupid PTO given out.

Singing guys to a PTO you almost have to give them ice time and a chance or you won't be singing them anymore that takes away from the prospects pushing to get in. How much can they show in 1 hour drills?

PTOs are almost always so the team can meet the veteran quota for pre-season games that is mandated by the league.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

PTOs are almost always so the team can meet the veteran quota for pre-season games that is mandated by the league.

For most teams, for the Flames they were our 4th line for much of the past 7 years.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The team bringing the Brad Richardson and Pitlick types always hindered the chances of the rookies breaking through. Not to mention the stupid PTO given out.

Singing guys to a PTO you almost have to give them ice time and a chance or you won't be singing them anymore that takes away from the prospects pushing to get in. How much can they show in 1 hour drills?

Richardson who played only 27games, Ptlick who played 25?

Come on, these player were not playing in the place of prospects. They got so many games because there were not prospects to steal their jobs.