2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Philly rebuilding if not and Hanifin won't sign we can make a hockey trade around Travis and Noah.

You still need players during a rebuild. At worst they could flip Hanifin at the deadline for picks and prospects

Think of it from Phillys perspective. Konecny might be their best asset to get a good young cost controlled player, not a pending ufa. That’s why you are hearing names like Broberg in connection to Konecny.

We really don’t make good trading partners. Need to find someone who feels that they are close and needs help on blue line. Hopefully conny can find the right fit.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Philly rebuilding if not and Hanifin won't sign we can make a hockey trade around Travis and Noah.

You still need players during a rebuild. At worst they could flip Hanifin at the deadline for picks and prospects

You don’t use you best trade chip for a player you need to flip at the deadline.

They would want a package starting with the 16OA.

Terrible fit.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Ugh. Please keep Jamie Benn away from the Flames

Yeah, who needs big 78 point Olympians who play meaner than a Japanese hornet.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Philly rebuilding if not and Hanifin won't sign we can make a hockey trade around Travis and Noah.

You still need players during a rebuild. At worst they could flip Hanifin at the deadline for picks and prospects

I see it more like the Flames in 2008

They moved Tanguay along with a 5th (138th) for the 25th pick in that draft and an 09 2nd.

They then flipped the 17th pick and an 09 2nd to the Kings for Cammalleri and the 48th pick in the draft.

Basically the Flames traded Tanguay and a 5th and got Cammalleri a 2nd and moved back 7 spots in the first round.

The Flames could move Noah to Detroit for the 18th pick, 42nd and 43rd picks in the draft. They could acquire Konecny by moving the 16th pick and a combination of other picks/prospects assets the Flyers would want.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the trade were done in conjunction with Lindholm being moved, Mittlestadt would have a shot at #2 C ice time and prime PP time - something he wasn’t getting in BUF. The only thing NHLers like more than money is ice time (which usually translates into more money).

Has Mittlestadt been given that opportunity before though? He was highly touted coming out of his draft so I imagine Buffalo may have given him plenty of opportunity and he just didn't take it and run.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I see it more like the Flames in 2008

They moved Tanguay along with a 5th (138th) for the 25th pick in that draft and an 09 2nd.

They then flipped the 17th pick and an 09 2nd to the Kings for Cammalleri and the 48th pick in the draft.

Basically the Flames traded Tanguay and a 5th and got Cammalleri a 2nd and moved back 7 spots in the first round.

The Flames could move Noah to Detroit for the 18th pick, 42nd and 43rd picks in the draft. They could acquire Konecny by moving the 16th pick and a combination of other picks/prospects assets the Flyers would want.

I don't think there's any chance Detroit looks to upgrade anything right now. Yzerman is smart in the sense that there's no benefit to fastracking rebuilds. They traded Bertuzzi when they didn't need to. I don't think there's much of a chance they're looking to add anyone right now. In a season or two sure, but I doubt now.

[activeStick]

Re: Konecny, he's a little injury prone, no?

[Vinny01]

Reading online there is an absolute desperate need for a center in Minnesota so they could be a trade partner. Marco Rossi was a top 10 pick in 2020 but had some Covid issues and has not really developed yet. Could there be a deal to be made here? Rossi+21st pick+64th pick for Lindholm?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't think there's any chance Detroit looks to upgrade anything right now. Yzerman is smart in the sense that there's no benefit to fastracking rebuilds. They traded Bertuzzi when they didn't need to. I don't think there's much of a chance they're looking to add anyone right now. In a season or two sure, but I doubt now.

It was just and example of how the Flames can indirectly deal Hanifin for Konecny while moving around the draft board a little bit like they did with Tanguay and Cammalleri.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Hoop27

Is Lindholm truly a #1 center is the honest question. Or is he just a really good #2? Really all this reminds me of the Iginla years of him never having a true #1. (Which don't exactly grow on trees obviously.)

Yes he's in the range of the 12th-15th best centers in the league. Has a selke nom and a 40 goal season. he will make 8.5 million+ on a 8 year deal. The price for Calgary is probably closer to 9. The question is, can we/do we want to pay the 12th-15th best center in the league 9 million for 8 years.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by saillias

Yes he's in the range of the 12th-15th best centers in the league. Has a selke nom and a 40 goal season. he will make 8.5 million+ on a 8 year deal. The price for Calgary is probably closer to 9. The question is, can we/do we want to pay the 12th-15th best center in the league 9 million for 8 years.

The answer is simple to me. Hell no! He's hit his prime and while it may not be a substantial drop it'll certainly be a drop, and so you're paying a premium for past performance vs. forward performance.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading online there is an absolute desperate need for a center in Minnesota so they could be a trade partner. Marco Rossi was a top 10 pick in 2020 but had some Covid issues and has not really developed yet. Could there be a deal to be made here? Rossi+21st pick+64th pick for Lindholm?

I'd take a swing on that. Could be a home run.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Has Mittlestadt been given that opportunity before though? He was highly touted coming out of his draft so I imagine Buffalo may have given him plenty of opportunity and he just didn't take it and run.

He was given that opportunity at 19 on a terrible team with terrible linemates. Then after a couple seasons, management realized that he needed seasoning in the AHL (like 90 per cent of prospects do). Since then he has a more well-rounded game and put up 100 pts in his 162 games playing on the third line. And he’s still only 24, which is the age when a lot of players pop.

I’m not a huge cheerleader for Mittlestadt or anything. I just think he’s the kind of player we’re looking at as part of a realistic return for Hanifin. The Flames don’t want to take a step back this offseason, and my sense is they will prefer 20-24 year old players/prospects to picks. Most of the other offers bandied about (like Jack Quinn) don’t make sense for the other team.

The Flames will be the motivated seller here. They’ll either take one of the offers they get in the next couple weeks, or watch Hanifin walk for nothing next year.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading online there is an absolute desperate need for a center in Minnesota so they could be a trade partner. Marco Rossi was a top 10 pick in 2020 but had some Covid issues and has not really developed yet. Could there be a deal to be made here? Rossi+21st pick+64th pick for Lindholm?

The Wild definitely need a top-2 C. The problem is they’re capped. So any deal with them will have to be dollars-in-dollars-out, or the Wild will have to pull off a separate deal (or a three-way deal) to shed cap.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Wild definitely need a top-2 C. The problem is they’re capped. So any deal with them will have to be dollars-in-dollars-out, or the Wild will have to pull off a separate deal (or a three-way deal) to shed cap.

Add in Marcus foligno and we could retain a bit?

[Mass_nerder]

What are the chances Rossi actually plays C in the NHL?
He's 5'9 and 182lbs and looks pretty slight.
He's put up almost ppg numbers in the AHL, but Peltier (for example) has put up better numbers (in close to the same number of games); would anyone be wanting to trade Lindholm if Peltier was the main piece?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Add in Marcus foligno and we could retain a bit?

I think Foligno back would work for both teams. Flames bulk up at forward and get an asset for today along with picks/prospects.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

What are the chances Rossi actually plays C in the NHL?
He's 5'9 and 182lbs and looks pretty slight.
He's put up almost ppg numbers in the AHL, but Peltier (for example) has put up better numbers (in close to the same number of games); would anyone be wanting to trade Lindholm if Peltier was the main piece?

That’s probably the type of prospect they’ll get unless a team gets desperate. Someone who has top six upside but not a sure fire thing

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading online there is an absolute desperate need for a center in Minnesota so they could be a trade partner. Marco Rossi was a top 10 pick in 2020 but had some Covid issues and has not really developed yet. Could there be a deal to be made here? Rossi+21st pick+64th pick for Lindholm?

They have about $9MM to fill 8 spots in their lineup, so they are already in desperate shape.

So, they aren't trading a cheap guy like Rossi plus a great pick + for a guy on the verge of being very expensive.

Minny will need to tread water this year cap wise. They need to likely rid themselves of some cap simply to make budget.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They have about $9MM to fill 8 spots in their lineup, so they are already in desperate shape.

So, they aren't trading a cheap guy like Rossi plus a great pick + for a guy on the verge of being very expensive.

Minny will need to tread water this year cap wise. They need to likely rid themselves of some cap simply to make budget.

If Flames did retain then they’d have the cap space the next year. Can’t see Lindholm signing in Minnesota unless he gets paid though.