32 thoughts was talking about Bowman. It was mentioned before in here, but I'm still not sure what the availability of Bowman is.
I don't see HNIC, but on Saturday, apparently EF said something about Bowman and his availability but was then told something different. Like he first said you can talk to Bowman but Bettman has to ok. But then now you might not be able to talk to Bowman until you talk to Bettman first.
Do I have this right?
It's kind of important in that, the timeline to add a GM before scouting meetings likely means Bowman is eliminated from contention. Fist pump.
Seravalli's comments on him were interesting. The Flames for sure should at least investigate if they feel that he is the best qualified for the job.
I'm a bit wary though, even with people that have encyclopedic knowledge like this. I remember when Bill Peters was brought on, he was on the Fan doing an interview and spoke for 10+ minutes about all the players on the team and their strengths and weaknesses and on and on. I was very impressed. But ultimately, it went nowhere with him.
For sure, you never know. I myself can't picture Conroy in a tough trade call, or hardballing a contract negotiation.
Seravalli definitely carrying water for Bowman. Said to Pat on Flames Talk today, he thinks Bowman is in consideration for Calgary. May have used more definitive language I can't recall. Worrisome, IMO. Even if it means an outside shot at Coach Q on the cheap. I can't recall who in the Calgary media said it but denying a guy like Conroy for Bowman would be a PR nightmare
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Didn't Dave Tallon pretty much build that championship Hawks team? Looking at Stan Bowman's roster moves, there are a lot of inconsequential transactions, and some real stinkers. Nothing really shrewd stands out. Heck, after that Seth Jones acquisition, he should never work again, never mind the scandal on top of that. I like that his last trade was sending us Zadorov for 3rd though.
Didn't we do that when Treliving came in? Or at least pretty close to it anyway....this team hasn't gone the player route and I am all for giving Conroy a chance, especially given the fact that he's had his hands all over this front office and has the fresh perspective of being a good NHL player.
With a bit more patience and a little luck I think Treliving could have had the team elite. Not trading for Hamonic, not signing Neal or Brouwer. Not trading so much draft capital. Fox not signing was a big loss. I think they tried to rush the rebuild and it bit them in the butt. Bennett and Monahan busting.
With a bit more patience and a little luck I think Treliving could have had the team elite. Not trading for Hamonic, not signing Neal or Brouwer. Not trading so much draft capital. Fox not signing was a big loss. I think they tried to rush the rebuild and it bit them in the butt. Bennett and Monahan busting.
Isn’t that literally every GM though, or at least the middle ten?
If they don't promote from within and hire Conroy, which they probably should, and they don't go for a retread, which they definitely shouldn't, Bowman and Tulsky are interesting case studies.
Bowman is interesting because he's not your typical retread. A guy with his pedigree and reputation would, in normal circumstances, never give a franchise like Calgary a sniff. But he clearly knows the only way back in is to get a gig in a lower-tier market, do good work and cultivate relationships. However it works out, it cleanses him of the scandal. I am not saying he's a great GM, nor that the Flames should hire him. I'm just saying that franchises like the Flames are not usually on the radar of young-ish executives with multiple cups from original six franchises looking for only their second GM job. Usually those candidates get opportunities in higher profile markets. So I can kind of see the appeal here, and Maloney is right to at least consider this option.
Then with Tulsky, you are basically hiring a someone that could be the next great GM talent, but who probably isn't quite ready for the top job. That's the only way a market like Calgary can scoop truly elite talent -- hire them before the big fishes think they are ready. That's what Tampa did with Yzerman, and they reaped the rewards. The Flames have tried this strategy before, hiring Button (big fail), and trying to hire Shanahan before he went to TO (would have been a big win). I wonder if this time around, Tulsky might be that guy. But it's risky.
However it shakes out, if these reports are true, I think it bodes well that Maloney is exploring at least three different candidates that offer very different sets of possibilities. Too many times our GM searches have been predictable -- hire the guy in the room, promote the coach, etc.
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Flames are not in a position to take a risk hiring Bowman.
There is so much bad #### already circling this team why would you take that unnecessary risk?
Not to mention, you've been grooming a guy for over a decade, whose gone up the ranks of management in your org and has played over 1000 NHL games. So thats also a huge slap in the face and leaves another bad angle.
So your getting a double whammy of #### by hiring Bowman. His GM tenure was not that impressive, even excluding Beach situation. He won cups but so did Chirrelli and in a similar manner too.
He exhubited terrible judgment and character in handling the Beach scandal.
Not sure how any person with sane judgement could think Bowman is a logical choice. If they're seriously considering him, let alone hire him, it just highlights the depths on ineptitude in the individuals running this franchise.
He's made some bad trades and long term contracts.
If Yzerman isn't elite than what manager is?
Yes there were pieces of the Lightning team there before he got there but if I am not wrong he brought in key pieces to a multiple Cup winning team- Kucherov, Vasilevsky, Cirelli, Point, Gourde, Sergachev. Plus made moves to add veterans to the team that helped them win as well.
He probably has his misses but if you build a team that wins multiple Cups through smart draft picks, signings and trades I am not sure how you can't be elite.
Flames are not in a position to take a risk hiring Bowman.
There is so much bad #### already circling this team why would you take that unnecessary risk?
Not to mention, you've been grooming a guy for over a decade, whose gone up the ranks of management in your org and has played over 1000 NHL games. So thats also a huge slap in the face and leaves another bad angle.
So your getting a double whammy of #### by hiring Bowman. His GM tenure was not that impressive, even excluding Beach situation. He won cups but so did Chirrelli and in a similar manner too. He exhubited terrible judgment and character in handling the Beach scandal.
Not sure how any person with sane judgement could think Bowman is a logical choice. If they're seriously considering him, let alone hire him, it just highlights the depths on ineptitude in the individuals running this franchise.
I am not saying that we should hire Bowman or that he handled the Beech situation well but if you listen to the Seravelli interview it sounds like he was far from the main person to blame in that situation and his error was more of a not doing enough to find out more rather than ignoring details of the case which while not great is much better than knowing about it and ignoring it.
I am not saying that we should hire Bowman or that he handled the Beech situation well but if you listen to the Seravelli interview it sounds like he was far from the main person to blame in that situation and his error was more of a not doing enough to find out more rather than ignoring details of the case which while not great is much better than knowing about it and ignoring it.
I get it man. There's shades of grey. According to Serevelli they had limited info on the station, only that something had gone down, and their boss said he'd handle it. I'm not saying that they should never be able to work again.
Point I'm trying to make though is that it doesnt matter for the flames. The flames aren't in a position for that type of risk exposure. Add in the insult to the alumni youve been grooming for 12 years. The franchise is in a fragile state as they've taken alot of blows over the last few years. The upside of Bowman is nowhere near enough to make it worth it.
