I like Jacob Markstrom

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Going into the shootout I thought, as I always do, it's pretty random. Markstrom has a size advantage which is useful in a shootout where it's just one on one with no pass across. But the facts are that, after two shooter, Markstrom had the Flames in aposition to win the game on the third Flames shooter. Ritchie scores (or whoever else you might argue should have been in), the Flames don't even face a third shooter.

Anbd then once again, as if to prove my point, you are looking at a single game, and then using season long performance to argue something which I never even discussed. The OP on this point said "oh look at Saros - he put his team in a position to win". Well, so did Markstrom.

You want to discuss the season, fine. Markstrom was way below his career and way below the league in save%, and he was no good at stopping grade A chances allowed by the team early in games. I've not seen anyone argue differently. So what are you fussing about?

0.892 save percent ALL season, not sure how you think I am cherry picking single games. literally 48th in the league for goalies that have played 20 or more games. He was Bad the entire season. He had a handful of good games and a handful of decent games. The majority of his games he was no good.

He was the SECOND best goalie on the ice last night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

0.892 save percent ALL season, not sure how you think I am cherry picking single games. literally 48th in the league for goalies that have played 20 or more games. He was Bad the entire season. He had a handful of good games and a handful of decent games. The majority of his games he was no good.

He was the SECOND best goalie on the ice last night.

I am not sure you actually read my posts. I never said that. All I talked about was last game. What I said was that people keep trying to move my discussion about last game into "the season".

And in the last game which he did the same thing Saros was praised for by the OP through regulation and OT (in fact, Saros was extremely lucky Rasmus flubbed in OT). Which was put his team in a position to win.

Tell me, if Ritchie scored, was Markstrom second best at that point? Does the fact Kadri, Backlund and Ritchie all had lame attempts make Saros the better goalie? He really only had to work just a little on Ritchie's.

Frankly, when both goalies play well, first and second best is kind of irrelevant. From there it's about what else happened in the game.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I am not sure you actually read my posts. I never said that. All I talked about was last game. What I said was that people keep trying to move my discussion about last game into "the season".

And in the last game which he did the same thing Saros was praised for by the OP through regulation and OT (in fact, Saros was extremely lucky Rasmus flubbed in OT). Which was put his team in a position to win.

Tell me, if Ritchie scored, was Markstrom second best at that point? Does the fact Kadri, Backlund and Ritchie all had lame attempts make Saros the better goalie? He really only had to work just a little on Ritchie's.

Frankly, when both goalies play well, first and second best is kind of irrelevant. From there it's about what else happened in the game.

I'd say after that flub on the first goal that yes, he would still be second best last night. He was fine after the flub, but Saros was better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I'd say after that flub on the first goal that yes, he would still be second best last night. He was fine after the flub, but Saros was better.

Which I say is irrelevant anyway. They play the shooters, not each other. It's almost impossible to compare them, for example, in OT and the shootout because they faced entirely different chances.

Aside - the flub doesn't stress me much going forward. It's his second of the year as far as I can recall, though it was obviously at a bad time. They all have those from time to time and I'm pretty confortable with Markstrom's puckhandling overall. It's pretty conservative.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which I say is irrelevant anyway. They play the shooters, not each other. It's almost impossible to compare them, for example, in OT and the shootout because they faced entirely different chances.

Aside - the flub doesn't stress me much going forward. It's his second of the year as far as I can recall, though it was obviously at a bad time. They all have those from time to time and I'm pretty confortable with Markstrom's puckhandling overall. It's pretty conservative.

I think you touched on it a bit but the bad timing of goals against was a big problem this year for him. Not sure how that becomes a thing (confidence maybe) but man did he have a knack for letting pucks by at the worst times. I really hope he rebounds next season but I'm not optimistic about it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I think you touched on it a bit but the bad timing of goals against was a big problem this year for him. Not sure how that becomes a thing (confidence maybe) but man did he have a knack for letting pucks by at the worst times. I really hope he rebounds next season but I'm not optimistic about it.

Yes. It was a thing that snowballed. The puck suppression game the Flames played all year but which had some really bad breakdowns early on didn't help. It was like he was aware the first chance he'd face was going to be a ten beller and he gripped extra hard. Self fulfilling prophesies and all that.

A quick look tells me his better performances were in higher shot count games. Last night the Preds led in shots after the first, or at least were close, and he got worked into the game better. Vancouver and Winnipeg were both good games for him and he faced 33 and 35 shots. LA win: 33. Minnesota shutout: 40. Toronto loss where he played well: 34. Conversely, his bad ones were all mid 20s. Chicago, Vancouver, LA, Dallas.

What does that mean for him? He has to get tougher when he's not worked - it has to be a focus and nerves thing.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which I say is irrelevant anyway. They play the shooters, not each other. It's almost impossible to compare them, for example, in OT and the shootout because they faced entirely different chances.

Aside - the flub doesn't stress me much going forward. It's his second of the year as far as I can recall, though it was obviously at a bad time. They all have those from time to time and I'm pretty confortable with Markstrom's puckhandling overall. It's pretty conservative.

We can agree to disagree, IMO Markstrom was the 2nd best goalie last night even had Ritchi scored.

If he was the best goalie on the ice, He would have stopped the 3rd shot it hit his glove, its not like he got sniped. When Markstrom had a chance to win the game by making a stop he failed. When Saros had a chance for his team to win the game, he stopped the shot.

Huberdeau put Markstrom in a position to Succeed, Flames had the lead in the shootout. Markstrom stopped 2 of 4 Saros stopped 3 of 4.

Anderson didn't flub it, in OT it hit the defenders stick. IMO the Flames had the better chances in OT, Saros stopped them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

We can agree to disagree, IMO Markstrom was the 2nd best goalie last night even had Ritchi scored.

If he was the best goalie on the ice, He would have stopped the 3rd shot it hit his glove, its not like he got sniped. When Markstrom had a chance to win the game by making a stop he failed. When Saros had a chance for his team to win the game, he stopped the shot.

Huberdeau put Markstrom in a position to Succeed, Flames had the lead in the shootout. Markstrom stopped 2 of 4 Saros stopped 3 of 4.

Anderson didn't flub it, in OT it hit the defenders stick. IMO the Flames had the better chances in OT, Saros stopped them.

Raise the puck. Score the goal. Is it Markstrom's fault the Flames had better chances in OT? Should the Flames have allowed more chances so he could be "the better goalie"?

One more time: Saros was praised for giving his team a chance to win. So, then, did Markstrom. I couldn't care less who hould be called the better goalie. Last year Oettinger was arguably the better goalie in round one. Who cares?

[I_H8_Crawford]

And Smith was the better goalie in round 2.

And this year the opposition goalie was the better goalie in 90% of Markstrom’s starts.

Dude has lost it. He is no good and will submarine this team again next year if he is the starter.

[Flamesfan05]

Still making excuses for Markstrom?

Got to give the guy credit lmfao

Markstrom is the biggest reason the Flames are out of the playoffs. It’s not even close for second.

Switch goalie last night and the Flames won comfortably

[Reggie Dunlop]

Bumped

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Bumped

Why?

[Mr.Coffee]

Because we need to panic?

[Eb0la11]

I like it. Put some positivity into the world! Here’s to an upgrade from last years performance

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I still like him. Hope he has a great season. The talent is still there, just needs the stuff between the ears to be better.

[Locke]

We all hope he has a great season.

He just hasnt exactly been repaying that hope. And thats being generous.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Locke

We all hope he has a great season.

He just hasnt exactly been repaying that hope. And thats being generous.

He hasn't even played a regular season game this season. He's played 5 meaningless periods of preseason hockey. Let's wait until the games actually matter.

Some people take what happens in preseason whether it's positive or negative way too seriously.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I still like him. Hope he has a great season. The talent is still there, just needs the stuff between the ears to be better.

That’s been a problem since the oilers series

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Goriders

That’s been a problem since the oilers series

I don't know, thought he played much better the last chunk of this past season. If he keeps playing like that he'll be fine.

[Ferarri]

I would give the day one starters job to the goalie with the best showing in pre season. That’s not to say that Markstrom isn’t going to be the starter for this team, or the number one guy but the team shouldn’t anoint him if either Vladar or Wolf outplay him. Can’t afford any slow starts and this is how we fell behind last year. This is a crucial position and goalies are an odd group. Just play the guy who gives you the best chance to win. Re-evaluate when someone starts to slip.