[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Foligno had some strong words about this signing on behalf of his teammates. He’s not going to play in the NHL, go ahead and put money on it.

https://twitter.com/Zeisberger/statu...DQZOIF47g&s=19

[Reggie Dunlop]

The Bruins invested a lot of their public goodwill elevating Willie O'Ree and the NHL tolerance programs. Seems like a bad move risking all that over this kid without due diligence.

[psyang]

I appreciate Corsi trying to take both sides into consideration. I think it goes a long way in reducing the temperature of this thread.

Here are questions I have for both sides:

Someone posted that Isaiah has accepted his forgiveness and wishes he not be punished further. Is there source for this? I think what the victim thinks should hold a lot of weight.

Someone else has posted that the apology was written but that it was never delivered to Isaiah or his family, while someone else has said he personally read the apology to them. Do we have clarification?

If the apology was read, why did he reach out on snapchat (not Instagram according to Joni) just before signing to apologize again, saying it was not about hockey? Or is the veracity of that in question?

In the end, we can never know where his head/heart is at, and can only try to form an opinion based on his actions. Forgiveness is never a given, and even after there is forgiveness, trust has to be earned.

[dammage79]

What were the odds a mid pick like Miller were to make the NHL without his backstory? 4th rounder? Very loosely off the top of my head it's less than 10 percent?

Now it's less than 1 percent and that's probably being generous.

Betman out there covering the leagues butts. By let's not kid ourselves. If the time comes the player actually becomes good enough to play, they'll let it happen. And it'll be a very carefully curated rise from the ashes story to wash it all away.

Again, billion dollar businesses will do anything ....anything to let talent make them money. Including building story arcs.

So this will be something to watch 4 or 5 years down the road.

Still, doubt he makes the NHL given how often a 4th round pick makes it anyways.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by cannon7

More context regarding Joni Meyer-Crothers...

Mom of bullied teen accuses district of lying after seeing video surveillance

And four months after the incident...

Police investigate alleged assault at Pacesetter Park

Sylvania soccer dad charged with assault

What part of these articles are supposed to sway my opinion? Is your goal here to convince people that actually Miller is good and the victim's mom is the true villain? Sorry that Bettman has declare him ineligible to play in the NHL, that's a funny wrinkle in your weird defense force crusade thing.

[sureLoss]

We also have to see if the AHL will allow Miller to play.

Given the strong relationship between the AHL and NHL, it is likely they will follow Bettman's lead and declare Miller ineligible to play in the AHL.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or - and I know this is a radical thought here - it might be possible that your assessment of the situation (based on extremely limited facts) is not entirely accurate.

Just throwing that out there as an alternative.

Do you guys live in some bubble where “maybe you’re wrong about the opinion you’ve stated as yours and yours alone” is a compelling or interesting thing that nobody has considered? Enoch, answer honestly: do you actually take Jiri for someone who hasn’t considered the possibility that his assessment is wrong?

Now you’ve got people saying they feel sorry for his kids? You guys realize how bizarre you sound, right?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Does the commissioner have the ability to unilaterally declare a player ineligible to play in the league? Leaving aside the immediate case I would think the NHLPA would take issue with that precedent being set...

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Do you guys live in some bubble where “maybe you’re wrong about the opinion you’ve stated as yours and yours alone” is a compelling or interesting thing that nobody has considered? Enoch, answer honestly: do you actually take Jiri for someone who hasn’t considered the possibility that his assessment is wrong?

Now you’ve got people saying they feel sorry for his kids? You guys realize how bizarre you sound, right?

It's equally bizarre to tell Enoch Root that he's off base for criticizing Jiri's personal view that is "his and his alone", and then try to lump him in with Cannon7 as if Cannon7's views and posts are attributable to him somehow.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Does the commissioner have the ability to unilaterally declare a player ineligible to play in the league? Leaving aside the immediate case I would think the NHLPA would take issue with that precedent being set...

It's equally bizarre to tell Enoch Root that he's off base for criticizing Jiri's personal view that is "his and his alone", and then try to lump him in with Cannon7 as if Cannon7's views and posts are attributable to him somehow.

They’re both bizarre for different reasons. Happy to help.

[chummer]

Just a bizarre decision by Cam Neely and Don Sweeney. Bruins are 10-1, reactions from players, fans and media are all negative. Head scratcher for sure.

[Strange Brew]

I sometimes wish we had some of the same scrutiny over hiring repeated drunk drivers.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cannon7

If you have children, they have my pity.

We should be able to disagree without bringing peoples children into it
Way over the line

[Hemi-Cuda]

The amount of posters in this thread coming to the defense of a racist scumbag who tortured a disabled kid for years, and has shown zero remorse, is absolutely baffling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

The amount of posters in this thread coming to the defense of a racist scumbag who tortured a disabled kid for years, and has shown zero remorse, is absolutely baffling.

I don't know which posters you're referring to when you say "the amount of posters in this thread", but there isn't really a disagreement about whether what the guy did was awful. No one is defending him for being a racist scumbag or for bullying a disabled kid. What people are debating is what the consequences should be in the here and now. And there's clearly room for debate about that, even if the debate was only between people who think he should be in prison (not sure if that applies to anyone in this thread) and people who think he should be allowed to play pro hockey but just not allowed in the NHL, and people who think he shouldn't be allowed to play pro hockey at all, and people who think he could maybe play in the NHL or play pro someday but have things they would like to see him do before that happens.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

The amount of posters in this thread coming to the defense of a racist scumbag who tortured a disabled kid for years, and has shown zero remorse, is absolutely baffling.

I just read the whole thread and haven't seen anyone defending him or his actions. Just questioning what punishment fits the crime for something he did as a child

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Or - and I know this is a radical thought here - it might be possible that your assessment of the situation (based on extremely limited facts) is not entirely accurate.

Just throwing that out there as an alternative.

Sure we are all making these judgements in limited and incomplete information.
But would seem that many other parties: media, the league, other players also have reservations

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I mean, the media reporting on this is just obnoxious to me. Everyone tripping over themselves to express their moral standards, trying to cast themselves in the role of serious public intellectuals as if we we should give a crap about what Greg Wyshinski thinks on any topic more important than whether a rubber disc is more likely to go in the net when you sign Player X to a long term contract. All of that just reads to me as masturbatory.

But if I was a player in that locker room I would definitely be uneasy about having him on my team unless I was fully satisfied that he was not that person anymore.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I just read the whole thread and haven't seen anyone defending him or his actions. Just questioning what punishment fits the crime for something he did as a child

By all accounts he hasn't even apologized properly

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Do you guys live in some bubble where “maybe you’re wrong about the opinion you’ve stated as yours and yours alone” is a compelling or interesting thing that nobody has considered? Enoch, answer honestly: do you actually take Jiri for someone who hasn’t considered the possibility that his assessment is wrong?

Now you’ve got people saying they feel sorry for his kids? You guys realize how bizarre you sound, right?

I've read nothing but hyperbolic and incendiary posts from Jiri on this topic. He doesn't seem like the self-reflective type, to be quite honest. Maybe that sounds bizarre to you, but we haven't agreed on much of anything in the past, so why break precedent?

This thread is really just a retread of the 2020 one, all with the same participants and viewpoints.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I've read nothing but hyperbolic and incendiary posts from Jiri on this topic. He doesn't seem like the self-reflective type, to be quite honest. Maybe that sounds bizarre to you, but we haven't agree on much of anything int he past, so why break precedent?

This thread is really just a retread of the 2020 one, all with the same participants and viewpoints.

Indeed we have disagreed in the past.
But despite that, I would assume that just means we largely look at things through different perspectives and thus arrive, frequently, to different conclusions. Which is fine.

I would not assume how you feel about the things we disagree on reflects on you as an overall human being or as a parent (if you are one).