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Inferno · 10-21-2022, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mdubz

We had the comeback until Zadorov took that momentum killing penalty

On a pretty big flop.

Northendzone · 10-21-2022, 08:00 AM

is anyone feeling like markstrom is really rickety? soft goal against vegas. sutter does not start him at the scene of last year's crime.

i am telling myself the team is only 4 games in and don't get too concerned yet.

Toonage · 10-21-2022, 08:09 AM

Markstrom's starts have been poor but he's rebounded and the team has played well in front of him. Maybe he rebounded because they played well in front of him. Last night the team did not play well, and he wasn't given that chance with the wake-up call goalie swap.

Cecil Terwilliger · 10-21-2022, 08:31 AM

0-1 since the RR jerseys were released. Coincidence? No. The players know this is a tainted organization and don't want to play here anymore. It was obvious that even Darryl didn't have the same spark behind the bench. You want 90s jerseys? You get 90s results.

Flame On · 10-21-2022, 08:39 AM

I think that game illustrates that the forward game has taken a step back from last year, but overall, we're better with the additions to the D core. But with Hanifin down that D core also takes a step back (in its current makeup). At least until the top line becomes a bigger threat with chemistry and points.

Bingo · 10-21-2022, 08:55 AM

He'll be fine but Lindholm is just killing that top line.

You know Toffoli doesn't handle the puck well so he's not expected to be part of the transition, but Lindholm looks rusty as hell ... handling the puck like a hand grenade to start the season.

Once he gives Huberdeau someone to play catch with that line will pop.

Textcritic · 10-21-2022, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Northendzone

is anyone feeling like markstrom is really rickety? soft goal against vegas. sutter does not start him at the scene of last year's crime.

i am telling myself the team is only 4 games in and don't get too concerned yet.

Markstrom definitely looks a little off (although I don't believe that has anything to do with him not starting in Edmonton), but I am not particularly concerned. I am sure he will get back in to form.

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Bonded · 10-21-2022, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Markstrom definitely looks a little off (although I don't believe that has anything to do with him not starting in Edmonton), but I am not particularly concerned. I am sure he will get back in to form.

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Yeah, I want to get back to where I am not nervous about any shot going in. We know he can be a brick wall

Bingo · 10-21-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Markstrom definitely looks a little off (although I don't believe that has anything to do with him not starting in Edmonton), but I am not particularly concerned. I am sure he will get back in to form.

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When you look at his three starts ...

Avalanche: Odd goal to open and then very good the rest of the way
Vegas: Weak goal early and then very good the rest of the way.
Buffalo: No weak goals, but no monster saves and pulled for team momentum

Not sure I see a problem.

Don't see someone being a solution either.

Bingo Jr. · 10-21-2022, 09:43 AM

Concerning start to the season for Markstrom, I have faith in the guy though. Gotta question how his mental is looking right now.
Also cut the Toffoli slander he's been fine.

Erick Estrada · 10-21-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, I want to get back to where I am not nervous about any shot going in. We know he can be a brick wall

I have to admit I have been holding my breath everytime the opposition gets a decent scoring chance and am almost pleasantly surprised when he makes a save. My concern is that he was bad in the 20/21 season and I hope this isn't one of those good year/bad year situations as as good as he was last season, his stats were a bit of an outlier when you look at the rest of his career. He could be rounding back into the .912 SV% goaltender that he's been most of his career.

Textcritic · 10-21-2022, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

When you look at his three starts ...

Avalanche: Odd goal to open and then very good the rest of the way

Vegas: Weak goal early and then very good the rest of the way.

Buffalo: No weak goals, but no monster saves and pulled for team momentum

Not sure I see a problem.

Don't see someone being a solution either.

I would say that Buffalo's first goal was odd. Markstrom made a terrific save on the shot, but then lost the puck when attempting to slide it forward away from the goal line. Like I said, I am not at all concerned, but I also don't think he has been great to start the year. Maybe expectations are really high based on how he performed last season?

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Textcritic · 10-21-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to admit I have been holding my breath everytime the opposition gets a decent scoring chance and am almost pleasantly surprised when he makes a save. My concern is that he was bad in the 20/21 season and I hope this isn't one of those good year/bad year situations as as good as he was last season, his stats were a bit of an outlier when you look at the rest of his career. He could be rounding back into the .912 SV% goaltender that he's been most of his career.

Markstrom was the Flames best player by a country mile through the first several weeks of 20/21. And then, he was injured and it very clearly took a long time for him to round back into top form, which he did by the end of the season.

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blankall · 10-21-2022, 10:11 AM

Don't know why so many posters are calling out the offence. That has been fine. The Flames are near the top of the conference in goals per game. There was some definite problems with finish last night. Players looked nervous shooting the puck.

The biggest problem last night was the defensive play though. Buffalo managed to make our defence look very amateurish. They were just collapsing back into Buffalo's rush. For a large and mobile group of defenders, they looked terrified. Zadorov seemed to be the only one pushing back physically.

gvitaly · 10-21-2022, 10:15 AM

I thought the D looked bad tonight because the centres were trying to do too much to help the D instead of trusting the system. It allowed an open Saber to stroll down the middle of our zone essentially unopposed.

As for Zadorov - Andersson, I thought the pairing lacks chemistry and communication for now. However, I thought they looked better than when they played together last year, and they would improve if Hanifin was going to miss any significant time.

Regarding how bad our D looks without Hanifin, it’s one game… and in an ideal world we’d have Kylington in the lineup. I actually think that Kylington had a better chemistry with Tanev than Weegar does. Just little things they need to tighten.

As for Mackey, he really left me disappointed with his performance. I thought he looked great in the AHL, but tonight he wasn’t effective whatsoever constantly getting hemmed in his own zone. I don’t think he had a shift in the 3rd.

Now for the good, we were in this game and pressing in the 3rd, we kept creating chances. I thought that we were extremely close to make it a tie game. Toffoli looks much better than last year, and I don’t get the early hate for the guy. Lindholm needs to be better for that line to click. Kadri, Mangiapane, and Coleman were the standouts in terms of a GAF meter and they were the reason the team clawed its way into the game.

All in all, it was an entertaining game for the worst game of the season. You have to give credit to Buffalo: the Sabers came to play and exploited poor communication in our D zone and players trying to do too much.

Buff · 10-21-2022, 10:15 AM

They needed a spark so Darryl made the switch in net. The switch wasn't because Markstrom wasn't good but because the team wasn't good. He would have had another win last night had the team played better. Instead Markstrom needed to have a super hero like performance for the Flames to come away with the win. He was just average for himself which wasn't good enough for the team.

Erick Estrada · 10-21-2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Markstrom was the Flames best player by a country mile through the first several weeks of 20/21. And then, he was injured and it very clearly took a long time for him to round back into top form, which he did by the end of the season.

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I'm not buying that. Lots of consistent starting goaltenders can maintain their play throughout a season as none are always 100%. It shouldn't take a veteran goaltender months to round into form. His career stats are what they are and last season was his career year. He may not be able to repeat that. It's not the end of the world if he can't and goes back to his career normal. The issue is that going back to game one of the Oilers series and three games into this season he's had a single game over .900 SV% and it was only .905. He needs to get back over .910 consistently soon.

Teroy · 10-21-2022, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chingas

Markstrom can start mixing in some saves anytime now. He really tilted the game early. Anderson also trying to do too much all night.

Yup!

troutman · 10-21-2022, 10:34 AM

Calgary could not stop the big Buffalo players driving the middle lane.

GioforPM · 10-21-2022, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not buying that. Lots of consistent starting goaltenders can maintain their play throughout a season as none are always 100%. It shouldn't take a veteran goaltender months to round into form. His career stats are what they are and last season was his career year. He may not be able to repeat that. It's not the end of the world if he can't and goes back to his career normal. The issue is that going back to game one of the Oilers series and three games into this season he's had a single game over .900 SV% and it was only .905. He needs to get back over .910 consistently soon.

Look at Markstrom’s stats before and immediately after his injury. Then, at the end of that season, he rounded into form again. He was rushed back too soon IMO. And he never should have played that puck either.

This year he’s not been as good, but it’s 3 games.