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Old 11-14-2022, 12:31 PM   #161
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Mike Boyd built that device. NSFW for obvious reasons...

NSFW!
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Can't you just buy off the shelf ones that have apps to trigger? I thought I remember news stories of these things with poor security that could be hacked and triggered over the internet.
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Mike Boyd built that device. NSFW for obvious reasons...

NSFW!
Holy. Crap. It actually works.
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Holy. Crap. It actually works.
You can probably iterate on it and miniaturize that much more.
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You can probably iterate on it and miniaturize that much more.
But why would you want to?
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But why would you want to?
I mean, this is a thread about cheating and I assume hiding it/getting away with it.

But size matters I guess so no kink shaming from here. You do you.

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I still haven't seen anything to prove that she was cheating in that hand.
Staking people is very common in poker, I don't think you should be at the same table but it's not against the rules. Also, people who know each other soft play each other and communicate all the time. If they were accused of colluding with each other I'd believe it no problem but that has nothing to do with the hand in question.

Also, the posters over at 2+2 are mostly idiots.
This is important information for the reason that they had no reason to stake her except for the business arrangement to create this scam. There is definitely something here even without a smoking gun.

If they get away with it, it won’t happen again under the scrutiny.
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On the Chess cheating lawsuit.
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Obviously guilty mother####ers. Got off easy and apparently have a history of other incidents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fishing...hase-cominsky/
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Ken Regan, a chess master and computer scientist, said he started developing the model in 2006 after a high-profile cheating accusation by Bulgaria’s Veselin Topalov against Russia’s Vladimir Kramnik in their world championship game. Regan’s model analyzes the possible moves in a chess position and projects the probability that a player of a given skill level would make a move that agrees with top chess engines. “Then, through what’s really a human judgment process, one arrives at the final odds and decides whether they are extreme enough to reject the null hypothesis,” – that is, the assumption of fair play.

Because the software analyzes the moves of the game itself, it works on over-the-board games as well as online, where the cheating rate is “100 to 200 times” higher, Regan said. Sinquefield Cup officials asked Regan to run the program on Carlsen and Niemann’s game and the results were unambiguous: “I found nothing,” he said. Regan’s model showed Neimann’s performance “was one standard deviation up” on some metrics, “but by definition the standard deviation standardly happens”
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Super interesting article. Also sounds like Danny Rensch is running his mouth a little bit unwisely about this—I just don’t really buy into the hype that chess.com’s cheat detection software is somehow better than other independent analyses of human vs computer moves. I’ve also never really bought the far fetched theories about cheating using vibrating beads and so on.

With that said, Niemann still faces an uphill battle in his lawsuit. One wonders if there is a resolution here that involves an apology + private settlement or something along those lines. It’s clear he cheated online in the past, and he’s admitted that—when he truly was a kid. It’s also becoming clear that there is very little compelling evidence to suggest he cheated over the board at the Sinquefeld, and the conduct of Carlsen and chess.com afterward, though it may not be legally actionable in the end, has clearly—and maybe permanently— ruined his career.

And meanwhile, cheating in online chess continues to be a rampant problem that almost ruins the game for casual players. The worst part is it’s not even titled players with something to lose who are doing it, it’s internet randos with nothing to gain who for some reason insist on using stockfish rather than accepting that you’re just going to lose a game sometimes. I don’t understand it, but it’s a huge problem IMO.
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Super interesting article. Also sounds like Danny Rensch is running his mouth a little bit unwisely about this—I just don’t really buy into the hype that chess.com’s cheat detection software is somehow better than other independent analyses of human vs computer moves. I’ve also never really bought the far fetched theories about cheating using vibrating beads and so on.

With that said, Niemann still faces an uphill battle in his lawsuit. One wonders if there is a resolution here that involves an apology + private settlement or something along those lines. It’s clear he cheated online in the past, and he’s admitted that—when he truly was a kid. It’s also becoming clear that there is very little compelling evidence to suggest he cheated over the board at the Sinquefeld, and the conduct of Carlsen and chess.com afterward, though it may not be legally actionable in the end, has clearly—and maybe permanently— ruined his career.

And meanwhile, cheating in online chess continues to be a rampant problem that almost ruins the game for casual players. The worst part is it’s not even titled players with something to lose who are doing it, it’s internet randos with nothing to gain who for some reason insist on using stockfish rather than accepting that you’re just going to lose a game sometimes. I don’t understand it, but it’s a huge problem IMO.
I just assumed that everyone else is cheating in the CP tournaments? At least I hoped that was the case!

(Obviously joking, as what kind of degenerate would you be to cheat with literally nothing on the line other than your pride!)
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I just assumed that everyone else is cheating in the CP tournaments? At least I hoped that was the case!

(Obviously joking, as what kind of degenerate would you be to cheat with literally nothing on the line other than your pride!)

Heck, I remember when I was a kid and learned how to play crib. Once I understood the scoring of the game, I'd often catch my grandfather cheating.

People love to win, even with nothing on the line.
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That article is from back in September. Here is the report Chess.com put out a couple weeks later, which gives more information on their position: https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report

They accuse him of cheating online quite a bit more than he admitted, including more recently and in events with cash prizes, with specific examples. They also admit they can't prove anything over-the-board.
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Heck, I remember when I was a kid and learned how to play crib. Once I understood the scoring of the game, I'd often catch my grandfather cheating.

People love to win, even with nothing on the line.
Well having met a couple of these specific posters and just knowing CPers in general I highly doubt it's happening here.
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That article is from back in September. Here is the report Chess.com put out a couple weeks later, which gives more information on their position: https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report

They accuse him of cheating online quite a bit more than he admitted, including more recently and in events with cash prizes, with specific examples. They also admit they can't prove anything over-the-board.
No doubt he cheated online, but it is worth mentioning that the last time he cheated (was caught) was when he was 17 years old (2 years before he was accused of cheating against Magnus). Cheating in cash games is still a huge deal, even if you are a kid, but it doesn't have as powerful of an implication.

Is Hans a cheater? yes.

Did he cheat in OTB? maybe but there is no evidence.
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Obviously guilty mother####ers. Got off easy and apparently have a history of other incidents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fishing...hase-cominsky/
I dont know why, but out of all of these scandals the fish one just seems scummiest to me.

Maybe because if the Chess guy cheated with an anal probe or whatever I could at least commend him for his dedication?

But the fishermen? That one just gets me the wrong way for some reason. And I dont fish, I dont care about fishing, the concept of competitive fishing seems ridiculous to me, so maybe the prospect of cheating at competitive fishing strikes me as insane?
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Regarding the poker, they did an investigation and found no evidence of cheating. The accuser still hasn't given the money back as far as I've heard.
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Regarding the poker, they did an investigation and found no evidence of cheating. The accuser still hasn't given the money back as far as I've heard.
I dont know jack all about Poker. I watched the clip and thought....'maybe she got lucky?'

That happens? People gamble and against the odds occasionally win?

"She made a bet that was out of character!"

Isnt that part of the game?
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I dont know why, but out of all of these scandals the fish one just seems scummiest to me.

Maybe because if the Chess guy cheated with an anal probe or whatever I could at least commend him for his dedication?

But the fishermen? That one just gets me the wrong way for some reason. And I dont fish, I dont care about fishing, the concept of competitive fishing seems ridiculous to me, so maybe the prospect of cheating at competitive fishing strikes me as insane?
The thing with fishing is that it is almost completely luck. There are some things you can do to increase your chances. Know what kind of lure to use, in what habitat, and what kind of day increases your chances. As well as a general knowledge of fish and habitat biology can help you know where to find larger fish, but all these are things everyone else knows too. No one is discovering anything that everyone else doesn't already know, so it is basically luck.

I have no problem with luck driven competition, but it just makes cheating that much more ridiculous. No one is going to win all the time.

It reminds be of the bingo scandal that happened in the small town I used to live in. My friend's mom would always win, and people were like, how are you so good at bingo? As if there is a strategy involved. It eventually came out that her kid's father was the one calling the numbers and he would have people walk by to see what numbers she needed, and would then call out those numbers. Fixing it for her to win was his way of paying child support.
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