06-03-2022, 10:28 AM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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The difference between this and CalgaryNext seems to be that the arena itself is guaranteed to be privately funded
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06-03-2022, 10:36 AM
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#162
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Normally, my desk
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I've been to the area a couple of times, but don't know it well. Looking at a map, Tempe seems to be about the same distance from Phoenix proper as Glendale. What's the difference between the two areas? Proximity to Scottsdale?
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06-03-2022, 11:01 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
The difference between this and CalgaryNext seems to be that the arena itself is guaranteed to be privately funded
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That is a strong word, but you're right that's what they are claiming right now.
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06-03-2022, 11:31 AM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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You're right, perhaps too strong of a word, but I have a hard time imagining them being able to sell much public funding for an arena for THAT team to Tempe City Council tbh.
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06-03-2022, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
You're right, perhaps too strong of a word, but I have a hard time imagining them being able to sell much public funding for an arena for THAT team to Tempe City Council tbh.
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Absolutely. I'm just having a hard time believing these guys are really good for taking on $1.7 billion of development costs centered around a hockey team in Arizona.
We'll see.
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06-03-2022, 11:45 AM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
I've been to the area a couple of times, but don't know it well. Looking at a map, Tempe seems to be about the same distance from Phoenix proper as Glendale. What's the difference between the two areas? Proximity to Scottsdale?
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Just read this reddit post. Covers it nicely. On average 40 minutes will be cut from the huge majority of the fanbase and hockey communities in the valley
https://old.reddit.com/r/Coyotes/com...commute_times/
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06-03-2022, 11:51 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
The difference between this and CalgaryNext seems to be that the arena itself is guaranteed to be privately funded
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Also, I believe this is being led by the city, who want to redevelop this land. CalgaryNext was never a priority for the city, and worked against many of the city's actual priorities.
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Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
I've been to the area a couple of times, but don't know it well. Looking at a map, Tempe seems to be about the same distance from Phoenix proper as Glendale. What's the difference between the two areas? Proximity to Scottsdale?
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I don't know the area at all, but just using Google Maps' estimates, the distance from Downtown Phoenix to the location of the new arena is just over half the distance from Downtown to the Gila River Arena. More-importantly, the rush hour travel time estimate is half as long.
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06-03-2022, 11:52 AM
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#168
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First Line Centre
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Delete double post.
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06-03-2022, 11:53 AM
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The Remparts just drew 15,000 people to a junior game....
The fact that Bettman lets this continue is just nuts. Arizona is a dead market and the fact that the league continues the attempt is laughable.
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06-03-2022, 12:11 PM
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
I think they just plan to move it. So I guess it only needs to be done if someone wants to develop this land.
Coyotes claim they are kicking in $1.7 billion. We'll see if Tempe agrees that their costs are only $200 million as this does have the smell of Calgary Next to it. How much other infrastructure spending will be required?
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Coyotes are really spending 1.7 billion? That doesn't seem very plausible.
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06-03-2022, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nfotiu
Coyotes are really spending 1.7 billion? That doesn't seem very plausible.
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$1M per STH... seems plausible
/s
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06-03-2022, 12:28 PM
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#172
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I see this as nothing but a positive, book flight to Phoenix, see NHL game for 1/4 the price in Calgary, no problem getting great seats. Plus Phoenix in January is a nice break from our winter
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06-03-2022, 12:34 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames1217
The Remparts just drew 15,000 people to a junior game....
The fact that Bettman lets this continue is just nuts. Arizona is a dead market and the fact that the league continues the attempt is laughable.
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06-03-2022, 12:37 PM
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It's a lukewarm take at best.
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06-03-2022, 12:40 PM
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damn onions
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Why is that a lukewarm take?
Better measure would likely be TV audience but would imagine Quebec would kill them in that measure too.
One thing you do have to wonder though is if Quebec was such a great market, why aren’t these owners / smart business people scrambling to move their franchises there?
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06-03-2022, 01:02 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames1217
The Remparts just drew 15,000 people to a junior game....
The fact that Bettman lets this continue is just nuts. Arizona is a dead market and the fact that the league continues the attempt is laughable.
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As has been said many times already, there isn't really anything the league can do as long as there's a willing owner in the existing market.
The league has never -- and will never -- force a team to move. That's a can of worms none of the owners would want to open because there's always a chance they could be next.
Every time a team has relocated (at least in the "modern" NHL), it was either because the existing owner chose to move to a new market or the team was sold to new owners with the express purpose of moving the team.
Through all the hassles in Phoenix/Glendale/Tempe, there's always been someone willing to own the team and keep it in the area.
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06-03-2022, 02:30 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally Posted by Jordan!
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That looks freaking amazing.
Really hope that the airport bozos don't ruin it.
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06-03-2022, 02:31 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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double post.. whats up with this site today?
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06-03-2022, 02:32 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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BS aside, what do you guys think of the design of the arena?
To me this would've been a great fit for The Flames. Not having a Saddledome as part of the skyline will suck and imo, this kills the crap CSEC came up with.
https://vimeo.com/714632876/b51a7a70b0
If this thing gets done.. and i'm sitting 50/50 after last night it'll be awesome for me to see a new Saddledome in my forever home town. I pass the Tempe Lakefront every day on my way to work.
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06-03-2022, 02:40 PM
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#180
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Icantwhisper
I see this as nothing but a positive, book flight to Phoenix, see NHL game for 1/4 the price in Calgary, no problem getting great seats. Plus Phoenix in January is a nice break from our winter
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Yeah I don't understand all the hate her over the idea of an NHL team in Phoenix.
Brings up the possibility of visiting a nice climate in winter where you can probably get easily available tickets to see the Flames.
A whole lot fewer people here would travel to QC for a game. And from what I read in the other threads, there is consensus among CPers that they would never root for another Canadian team.
So why this desire to see a team in QC?
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