[News] Monahan on LTIR with season ending surgery. Kylington day to day. Mackey called up

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by Buff

They had to go the route of LTIR in order to bring up a defenceman to step in for the injured Kylington. Kylington isn't LTIR capable so let's just put Monahan on LTIR, everyone will believe that he is injured. Then we can cal up 3 or 4 players and not exceed the cap.

Making it almost impossible to sign your top players by performing hip surgery on a player that you would look to trade in the offseason so that you can call up 3-4 AHL players…

[FanIn80]

I remember last season, Johnny talking about how Monny was in so much pain he could barely walk back to the hotel after practice. The Sean talking about not even being able to walk around his hotel room.

Imagine being in that much pain, but still playing NHL hockey. Skating up and down the ice, jumping over the boards, constantly sitting, standing and sliding down the bench to make room as other people change... not to mention probably 5+ good crosschecks to the lower back and side of the hips in front of the net every game...

Forget about torturing prisoners in Gitmo, just put them in Monny's skates for a game or two.

[cannon7]

Pretty frustrating that this happened now and not before the trade deadline. $6.5M in cap freed up would have really come in handy.

If Monahan was playing hurt, when was he healthy? At the start of the season he was saying he was as healthy as he's been in years.

I think Monahan gets traded with cap retained or bought out this summer.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Love how BT stuck up for him. He's right to say a lot of criticism towards him is bull####. Nobody can EVER fault a player whose body gives out on them. IMO that is the one big no-no when it comes to criticizing a player.

This is where I think nuance is important. It is entirely possible to point out that a player's level of play has sharply declined, to the point where it sometimes hurts the team to have him in the lineup... without actually faulting him for the situation that he's in. The former has always been my position - pointing out that he can't nearly play at the level he once could, but without actually placing blame on him. He suffered some serious injuries in recent years, ones he could not fully recover from. Of course it is not his fault. A major injury could happen to any player at any time, and have lingering effects throughout the rest of the player's career. It's professional sports and sometimes that's just what happens.

I would like to echo your sentiments and wish Sean the absolute best in all his future endeavors. Hopefully he can recover enough to resume his NHL career. If he can't, then hopefully he succeeds in anything he chooses to do going forward. He has always been a true professional from the moment he became a Calgary Flame, and he deserves our thanks and gratitude for all he has done while wearing the flaming C.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Pretty frustrating that this happened now and not before the trade deadline. $6.5M in cap freed up would have really come in handy.

If Monahan was playing hurt, when was he healthy? At the start of the season he was saying he was as healthy as he's been in years.

I think Monahan gets traded with cap retained or bought out this summer.

You cannot buy out an injured player without their permission. I can’t imagine Monahan giving permission to buy him out when his career is at risk and getting an additional contract might be tough to come by. I also can’t really imagine the Flames trying to do it.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

You cannot buy out an injured player without their permission.

Citation needed.

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

I can’t imagine Monahan giving permission to buy him out when his career is at risk and getting an additional contract might be tough to come by. I also can’t really imagine the Flames trying to do it.

If they need the cap to extend Gaudreau/Tkachuk, you better believe they're buying him out. Only way he's not is if he's on LTIR for next season, too.

[Classic_Sniper]

Well that’s a shame for Monahan that he won’t get a chance to participate in the playoffs, but kudos to him for doing what’s best for him and his health. Glad to hear it wasn’t the same hip as that might suggest something degenerative, fixing the other hip now might keep his hips problem free later on. So it’s probably a good career decision if anything.

This definitely limits the Flames’ options going forward now. I was thinking the other day that if Jarnkrok couldn’t gain more traction at center, that maybe the coaching staff could try him out at on Monahan’s wing. Insert a little pace on Monahan’s wing which has always been beneficial towards his game. But I guess that option is out the window now.

Kind of sucks that he wasn’t on the ice for that shootout, saw his face on the bench and I think I saw some disappointment there, especially since it was Backs who went out and he’s not great in shootouts. Definitely would’ve been good to see him go out with a bang seeing as his time as a Flame could be done.

[Vansmack]

I call BS on him keeping it to yourself. The flames employ multiple team doctors and athletic therapists, you don't think they are regularly checking in on their 80 million dollar investments?

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Citation needed.



If they need the cap to extend Gaudreau/Tkachuk, you better believe they're buying him out. Only way he's not is if he's on LTIR for next season, too.

Is there Anything that Can Prevent a Buyout?
“Players with new contracts (that have yet to start) cannot be bought out, nor can a player who is injured and who has not given their permission.”

https://puckpedia.com/buyout-calculator

[Tbull8]

Could the flames sign someone like Eric Staal for the rest of the year and LTIR monahan?
Yes he’s older now but still wouldn’t be a bad depth option on the bottom 6

[cannon7]

I see nothing in the CBA that says an injured player can't be bought out without their permission. But there's not much point in buying out an LTIR player.

The Flames bought Michael Stone out while still recovering from his blood clot.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

You cannot buy out an injured player without their permission. I can’t imagine Monahan giving permission to buy him out when his career is at risk and getting an additional contract might be tough to come by. I also can’t really imagine the Flames trying to do it.

I think Monahan would ultimately accept a buyout. He’d be getting the majority of his money anyway and he’d now have a chance to go wherever he wanted as opposed to wherever the Flames could trade him to. It would actually be a best case scenario for him to be able to pick and choose a team that works for him and the future of his career.

I also suspect there would be some interested parties out there in a league minimum Monahan. He’s still got the hockey IQ to go out there and play with good players and maybe he’s able to find himself another Gaudreau to play with and get back to being in the top 6.

If I was him, I’d certainly welcome that opportunity. Take a small hit money-wise and bet on myself to find the right fit and get a another long term deal.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Could the flames sign someone like Eric Staal for the rest of the year and LTIR monahan?
Yes he’s older now but still wouldn’t be a bad depth option on the bottom 6

They could sign him. But I don't think he would be allowed to play in the playoffs.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Is there Anything that Can Prevent a Buyout?
“Players with new contracts (that have yet to start) cannot be bought out, nor can a player who is injured and who has not given their permission.”

https://puckpedia.com/buyout-calculator

I meant a citation from the NHL's CBA.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Could the flames sign someone like Eric Staal for the rest of the year and LTIR monahan?
Yes he’s older now but still wouldn’t be a bad depth option on the bottom 6

Not completely sure how the rules work, but Staal wouldn’t be eligible for the playoffs right? So that would kind of defeat the purpose of the acquisition IMO. Plus I think he’d have to clear waivers too and I wouldn’t put it past Arizona to nab another signed player with Keller out now.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by cannon7

They could sign him. But I don't think he would be allowed to play in the playoffs.

Ah ok fair enough. No point then

[cannon7]

Flames could have acquired Getzlaf and Stastny both with the cap Monahan's LTIR would have freed up prior to the trade deadline. Would have been nice to add even more depth.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Flames could have acquired Getzlaf and Stastny both with the cap Monahan's LTIR would have freed up prior to the trade deadline. Would have been nice to add even more depth.

really? since when? Neither were traded at the deadline and I don't think Getz had any appetite to leave Anaheim.

[FlamesAddiction]

I hope this means we see Ruzicka back.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I see nothing in the CBA that says an injured player can't be bought out without their permission. But there's not much point in buying out an LTIR player.

The Flames bought Michael Stone out while still recovering from his blood clot.

Stone might have agreed with the goal of possible future contracts with the Flames - which happened.

I can’t see any reference in the CBA but everything indicates that you can’t buy out injured players. I’m willing to concede (mainly because I’d love to be able to get some additional flexibility), if you know of other players who were bought out when they were injured.