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sureLoss · 03-22-2022, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Could Dadonov be buried in the minors?

He could if he clears waivers.

Which brings up another way the Knights can get around the NTC.

Put Dadonov on waivers, let the Ducks claim him. Then trade the 2nd for Kesler's contract.

Chingas · 03-22-2022, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There is no need for punishment.
The deal just gets rejected.

The punishment will/should come when their injured players should be playing and aren't activated to circumvent the cap, or are activated exceeding the cap.

This whole scenario is 100% on Vegas. It's up to them to have their poop in a group. Not Ottawa, not Dadanov. I hope that they are severely fined and forfeit draft picks for trying to game the system at the end of the day. I'm not saying that they have broken the rules yet, but that train has left the station.

VilleN · 03-22-2022, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GordonBlue

That would probably cost them serious draft picks to get another team to trade for a player that can't play.
I guess Arizona is going to make out really well on the deal.

Like all of you, I really can't believe Vegas was that stupid to not have anyone go over his contract.

man, Vegas is so screwed.

It’s possible that Vegas intentionally didn’t look over his contract. If Anaheim, or other teams on his list were the only trade partners maybe they made the trade knowing that Dadonov would feel immense pressure to back down and just accept the trade. If Vegas couldn’t find a legitimate trade partner they were screwed either way, so they may have felt this was their last option.

Reggie Dunlop · 03-22-2022, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

He could if he clears waivers.

Which brings up another way the Knights can get around the NTC.

Put Dadonov on waivers, let the Ducks claim him. Then trade the 2nd for Kesler's contract.

I think that's what happens next then.

Or maybe Arizona or Seattle claim him in exchange for a future "favour."

devo22 · 03-22-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VilleN

It’s possible that Vegas intentionally didn’t look over his contract. If Anaheim, or other teams on his list were the only trade partners maybe they made the trade knowing that Dadonov would feel immense pressure to back down and just accept the trade. If Vegas couldn’t find a legitimate trade partner they were screwed either way, so they may have felt this was their last option.

Vegas has been pretty ruthless when it comes to the human element of it all, but intentionally disregarding a player's NTC would be pretty heinous. I doubt it, honestly. They probably just effed up.

Jacks · 03-22-2022, 11:12 AM

From what we've heard this seems to be mostly on Ottawa. If they told the Knights and NHL that Dadonov didn't file his paperwork and therefore the NTC is void I'm not sure how Vegas was supposed to know any different. They could have completely read over his contract and it wouldn't have made a difference in that case. It's completely plausible that the issue never came up again after that, the trade to Vegas wasn't disputed in any way so why would anyone bring it up?

Geeoff · 03-22-2022, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

How is that making it right by Dadonov? He's owed 6.5M next year. Probably why he doesn't want to move to Anaheim, or at least a consideration, is the heavy California taxes compared to Vegas' lack of taxes. Just making him a UFA would be the worst case scenario for Dadonov lol.

Well they would have to pay out the remainder of Dadonov's contract, since he did nothing wrong.

GioforPM · 03-22-2022, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Could Dadonov be buried in the minors?

Only a portion and he’d have to go through waivers (which I suppose they’d welcome).

They still wouldn’t get Kesler.

Macindoc · 03-22-2022, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

He could if he clears waivers.

Which brings up another way the Knights can get around the NTC.

Put Dadonov on waivers, let the Ducks claim him. Then trade the 2nd for Kesler's contract.

At this point they would have to add a serious sweetener to induce the Ducks to claim him off waivers. But this, unlike a trade, would not be a legal way to circumvent the cap, as it would be similar to a kickback.

Vegas’ entire use of LTIR this year has been a pyramid scheme - trade a player with a bad contract for a player with a bigger contract who is LTIR eligible. Eventually you run out of players with top shelf contracts who you can pass off as injured.

PeteMoss · 03-22-2022, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

He could if he clears waivers.

Which brings up another way the Knights can get around the NTC.

Put Dadonov on waivers, let the Ducks claim him. Then trade the 2nd for Kesler's contract.

Wouldn't someone else claim him before he got there? Why wouldn't Arizona or Buffalo take him?

Macindoc · 03-22-2022, 11:25 AM

Vegas should not benefit from “not knowing” that there was a valid NTC. If they did know about it, the trade would not have been possible. So just void it, because it violates the conditions of his contract.

Now if Ottawa misled Vegas, then they may have to give Vegas some compensation, but I doubt the NHL can walk that trade back at this point.

taxbuster · 03-22-2022, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There is no need for punishment.
The deal just gets rejected.

This I do not agree with.

Fines for all GM's involved. Fines to the clubs and loss of picks. Censure for the agents.

Everybody seems to have screwed the pooch on this one...except the player. And Vegas should pay the heaviest price because they totally failed in any form of due diligence whatsoever...twice...apparently.

The NHLPA will surely have a say in this, and they will NOT be happy.

Roof-Daddy · 03-22-2022, 11:30 AM

Hurry up and void this ####ing deal already.

The longer this goes on the more it start to feel like the league will let Vegas off the hook here.

Macindoc · 03-22-2022, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Wouldn't someone else claim him before he got there? Why wouldn't Arizona or Buffalo take him?

Is he worth his contact?

GioforPM · 03-22-2022, 11:34 AM

So Vegas’ story is that there wasn’t just no Anaheim on the NTC, there was no NTC at all because of an expiry. So why did CF have an NTC, including the conditions, on the site. And why did that not make Vegas ask more questions?

Vegas will also have to somehow establish that if it knew there was an NTC with, say the 7 Canadian and 3 Cali teams (assuming tax reasons for fun) it would not have done a deal in July 2021.

OptimalTates · 03-22-2022, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Wouldn't someone else claim him before he got there? Why wouldn't Arizona or Buffalo take him?

This was a salary dump. It's costing the Knights a draft pick to get rid of him. 6.5M in salary, 5M for cap hit for a player who fell from a "30" goal scorer to a sub 20 goal scorer.

PeteMoss · 03-22-2022, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Macindoc

Is he worth his contact?

Vegas traded a 3rd round pick for him last summer. I'd think Arizona would take him as a body for next year.

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Originally Posted by OptimalTates

This was a salary dump. It's costing the Knights a draft pick to get rid of him. 6.5M in salary, 5M for cap hit for a player who fell from a "30" goal scorer to a sub 20 goal scorer.

How much of that was for Kesler's contract however?

Macindoc · 03-22-2022, 11:52 AM

If the NHL allows the VGK to put Dadonov on waivers and allows the Ducks to claim him, won’t the NHLPA vigorously oppose the move as a precedent in circumventing the NTC that would effectively make all NTCs worthless?

Lonestar · 03-22-2022, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacks

From what we've heard this seems to be mostly on Ottawa. If they told the Knights and NHL that Dadonov didn't file his paperwork and therefore the NTC is void I'm not sure how Vegas was supposed to know any different. They could have completely read over his contract and it wouldn't have made a difference in that case. It's completely plausible that the issue never came up again after that, the trade to Vegas wasn't disputed in any way so why would anyone bring it up?

IMO this is entirely Vegas's responsibility. They should have known/understood the MOU from 2020, they should have read through and completely understood the SPC for the individual they were acquiring from Ottawa and clauses therein, and they shouldn't be pressuring the player to waive AFTER messing up their own cap/contract situation.

That doesn't even bring into account the fact that the proper waiver forms weren't submitted at the time of the trade and now the deadline has passed... (from Seravelli this morning on the Fan).

GTFO, Vegas. Your cutthroat treatment of players has come full circle to bite you right in the hoop.

jlh2640 · 03-22-2022, 11:56 AM

Nate Schmidt and Marc Andre Fleury must be laughing at this mess now. Still mad probably but man Vegas did this to themselves.