[News] Jack Eichel Surgery And Comeback Thread

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Honest question. Can anyone recall the NHL denying a team the ability to put a player on LTIR? If a player says something hurts… I don’t think a doctor will deny them rest and recovery - NHL doctor or not. Even in this example with Rhett… the doctor still approved the LTIR.

I understand that there are rules to prevent a team from exploiting the system. I just think that they are difficult to enforce. I’m much more convinced a couple players will be placed on LTIR leading up to Eichel’s return rather than Vegas trading away valuable players that they will want for the playoffs. We’ll see what happens.


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I am pretty sure I recall the Flames once icing only a 17- or 18-man roster precisely because of injuries and cap-constraints.

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am pretty sure I recall the Flames once icing only a 17- or 18-man roster precisely because of injuries and cap-constraints.

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That had to do with the timing being after the trade deadline, but before the playoffs, or something like that. It's not because the NHL didn't believe the player was actually injured.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am pretty sure I recall the Flames once icing only a 17- or 18-man roster precisely because of injuries and cap-constraints.

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I believe that is why they introduced LTI relief in the first place. The Flames did not have any cap room left to replace their injured players, so they simply played without replacements.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

With Martinez and Bischoff on LTIR they would need to clear $3M before being able to activate Eichel.

But would also need to then free up ~$5.5M more to be able to activate Martinez.

So in total probably need to clear about $8.5M before the end of the season if nobody else goes on LTIR.

I believe Martinez is almost ready to come back as well.

[Gaskal]

They probably trade Smith (UFA) and Karlsson (too overpaid for a 3rd line C once Eichel is in the lineup)

[SuperMatt18]

Will be interesting to see what happens in Vegas this trade deadline / offseason.

I think you could see a scenario where all of Smith, Karlsson, and Marchessault are gone by the draft.

Which would be pretty crazy, as that would leave Shea Theodore and Brayden McNabb as the only regulars left from that inaugural cup final team from 17-18

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Their GM has already said that "players will get injured", so I see more LTIR coming up for some of the underperforming players currently in their lineup. Everyone has nagging minor injuries throughout the season.

Haha, that almost reads like a mob threat. "And if it isn't on the ice, we'll work out a way!"

[djsFlames]

So when they shed that cap and the assets that it takes to shed it, will they be that much further ahead with Eichel?

I hope it sets them back.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So when they shed that cap and the assets that it takes to shed it, will they be that much further ahead with Eichel?

I hope it sets them back.

I am sure the Gm has a plan and its all mapped out, once he is healthy my guess a trade is made (i.e. same thing as with signing their #1 dman)

For sure Eichel will make their roster "better"

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

I believe that is why they introduced LTI relief in the first place. The Flames did not have any cap room left to replace their injured players, so they simply played without replacements.

The issue that the Flames ran into was that the LTIR requires a player to miss 24 calendar days and 10 games. The Flames were not able to put any of their injured players on the LTIR at the end of the 2009 season because they needed the player available for the playoffs. Therefore they could not get any cap relief and were required to play with 15 players for the final 2 games of the season.

In 2013 the new CBA added the "Roster Emergency Exception" which more or less meant that a team in the Flames position would only have to play a single game shorthanded. After that one game playing with a short bench they could add any number of players making less than league minimum+100,000k (i.e. less than $850,000 in 2022) to get back up to the 18+2 roster limit without having cap implications.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

They probably trade Smith (UFA) and Karlsson (too overpaid for a 3rd line C once Eichel is in the lineup)

I’d take William Karlsson here without any hesitation.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

So when they shed that cap and the assets that it takes to shed it, will they be that much further ahead with Eichel?

I hope it sets them back.

It won’t.

[dino7c]

Eichel hasn't played in over a year and had neck surgery

can't just a assume he will be as good or even better than ever the second he returns to the lineup

[Lanny_McDonald]

There are a lot of assumptions being made on Eichel and his impact. Have to wait and see what the surgery does to his play and whether he can get back to the level he was at. We don't even know if he's pain free at this point.

[Robbob]

I've always seen the Eichel acquisition as for the seasons beyond this one. Probably a pretty tall order to expect him to take off where he left off over a year ago.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I've always seen the Eichel acquisition as for the seasons beyond this one. Probably a pretty tall order to expect him to take off where he left off over a year ago.

and they will 100% be dropping players before next season because of it

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1491858930896670722

Oh F*** off Vegas.

[FlamesAddiction]

Ready for game 1 of the playoffs no doubt.

But nothing to see here folks.

[ComixZone]

This is why people need to stop worrying about the Cap so much. The system has shown it can be exploited in this way, so this is how you do it going forward until the next CBA (maybe?) shuts down this usage of LTIR.

[Macho0978]

Monahan is a prime candidate to go on ltir for a few weeks. His back and hip history makes it doable

Get Dvorak and toffoli and have monahan as 4th line center for playoffs. Ruzicka as injury depth

Figure out cap in summer

[GioforPM]

Vegas without Stone is a pretty average team, with their current goaltending. I don ‘t think Eichel fills that gap TBH. I suppose they might think they can waddle into the POs and then just go full bore with Stone in. I suspect it’s not that easy. I mean, just because TBL did it with Point, Hedman and Vasilevsky doesn’t mean Vegas can with Eichel. And if someone legit goes down then they are in real trouble.