[News] CSEC's acceptable proof of vaccination for Saddledome games

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Last night I think the guy said they had over 600 000 users. That doesn't make any sense. It's just Alberta, right? Who are these 600 000 people? I suspect the number is made up.


Jtfrogger is right, there is nothing remotely redeemable here. All they have is an idea, not an app. The fact that CSEC is hanging around giving them a chance to actually build what doesn't exist? That's ridiculous. This isn't going to happen in a week or 2. Jump ship, and say you are waiting for an official government QR code, then put massive pressure on the government to deliver.


Oh, and sue this guy into the ground for misrepresentation.

Even the global video posted above doesn’t make sense. They interview him but the whole segment is a puff piece where they put zero effort into asking him any questions or speak to any technical experts to explain why the app sucks.

We are literally getting better reporting from CP and twitter. It’s bizarre.

Why would the flames stick with this obvious scam artist? Why would global go out of their way to hide the issues and refuse to mention the data leak, privacy concerns or fake credentials he references on the website?

It’s all bewildering.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Let's not be so hasty here and assume the government's app is any better.

What? How could it not be? All it will be is a QR code confirming vaccination status. It comes straight from the people that have that information to begin with. You won't need to worry about giving personal information to private entities. It also will be extremely difficult to forge.

Of course a government app would be better.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

What? How could it not be? All it will be is a QR code confirming vaccination status. It comes straight from the people that have that information to begin with. You won't need to worry about giving personal information to private entities. It also will be extremely difficult to forge.

Of course a government app would be better.

Well, the present government issued printable card can be edited. Knowing them they will make the on line info editable.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

What? How could it not be? All it will be is a QR code confirming vaccination status. It comes straight from the people that have that information to begin with. You won't need to worry about giving personal information to private entities. It also will be extremely difficult to forge.

Of course a government app would be better.

It might be better, who knows? The government will probably leave giant loopholes so it doesn't "punish" their base. I'm not going to judge it's better until we actually see it. There is no guarantee it's implemented as well as in other jurisdictions.

[Wormius]

I’d rather see the Feds deal with this - if this becomes a need. The contact tracing app and the editable passport pdf already showed how bad AB is at this.

[GrrlGoalie33]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

It baffles me how readily people pass up personal information without a second thought. Even a government backed QR code will just be a private sector company hired to carry it out. Information is money in the digital age. That’s how programs like Facebook and Instagram make all their money by tracking peoples online tracks and personal information. Anytime you pass your information off into the hands of something new you should be EXTREMELY skeptical.

This is exactly why I told my partner right off the bat that we would not be signing up for PORTPass and would only be using paper proof for our entry to Hitmen games.

I even went so far as to post on Facebook and tag members of our "Hitmen family" that they consider not signing up for it as well.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Let's not be so hasty here and assume the government's app is any better.

Yeah, the thought occurred to me last night that the reason we haven't heard any more about the promised QR code from the government is probably because they were going to contract it out to this Portpass guy.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, the thought occurred to me last night that the reason we haven't heard any more about the promised QR code from the government is probably because they were going to contract it out to this Portpass guy.

Was this a nightmare you were having? because it sounds like a ####ing nightmare.

[ben voyonsdonc]

This is clearly terrible on the part of the CSEC. They obviously didn't do nearly enough verification before asking people to send their confidential details to an app. There absolutely should be accountability on their end.

At the same time, the biggest blame should be on the provincial government for not having a reasonable app in place with QR codes and locked down fields so that businesses aren't looking to use these types of risky 3rd party technology to meet provincial and municipal requirements.

[rohara66]

What are the risks of someone drivers license being out there? Had multiple family members sign up as requested by the Flames.

[CroFlames]

Thank God I'm a procrastinator and didn't sign up. Figured I would just do it before the first game I attend in late Oct.

[jtfrogger]

What I think is most interesting about this whole situation is that it appears that Zakir Hussein has built himself a successful social media influencer profile, and it is now crashing down. He was able to monetize his reputation, but now his reputation will not recover.

Port Pass is dead. The usage was always going to be limited. For the end users, it was a minor convenience over showing proof of vaccination + ID. As problematic as the Alberta vaccine card is, it is a simple little document that can be stored on your phone or printed and placed in your wallet. Showing ID that I always carry with me along with it isn't a challenge. Even if all the problems get solved with Port Pass, why bother using the app with such a problematic history for such a minor convenience.

I suspect he will lose the vast majority of his income pretty much overnight. Any company that was paying him to manage their social media should be backing away quickly. I'm assuming he's still doing this, but I can't really tell. If all his income is through Port Pass, then he is in even worse shape, since it is dead and his financial backers won't add more money.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by rohara66

What are the risks of someone drivers license being out there? Had multiple family members sign up as requested by the Flames.

It depends on what somebody could sign up for with the driver’s license number, name, birthdate, address. That’s a lot of information to be floating out there.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, the present government issued printable card can be edited. Knowing them they will make the on line info editable.

That's true. My post was assuming any government app would be a QR code, but I suppose with this government even that seems like it's too much to assume.

[djsFlames]

Honestly all fair points and its a gongshow, but also what is someone going to do with your medical information/vaccine history?

Obviously we all want privacy/security, but its funny to think that there is also much value in that information either, or that someone would want to breach their app to attain it.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honestly all fair points and its a gongshow, but also what is someone going to do with your medical information/vaccine history?

Obviously we all want privacy/security, but its funny to think that there is also much value in that information either, or that someone would want to breach their app to attain it.

You have to provide a photo ID along with the medical information on the app. People have been uploading their Drivers License, Passports, Nexus cards

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honestly all fair points and its a gongshow, but also what is someone going to do with your medical information/vaccine history?

Obviously we all want privacy/security, but its funny to think that there is also much value in that information either, or that someone would want to breach their app to attain it.

from the CBC article...would this not be an identity thief's dream? if someone went to your bank or phone service provider claiming to be you and had all the information below, depending on how rigorous the support person is, this might be enough to gain control of your account.

CBC is not sharing how to access those profiles, in order to protect users' personal information, but has verified that email addresses, names, blood types, phone numbers, birthdays, as well as photos of identification like driver's licences and passports can easily be viewed by reviewing dozens of users' profiles.

[rohara66]

It depends on what somebody could sign up for with the driver’s license number, name, birthdate, address. That’s a lot of information to be floating out there.

That was my question.

[mdubz]

You can sign up for a bank account online with the information that was leaked. SIN isn't a requirement for a lot of financial institutions anymore. Very scary.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by mdubz

You can sign up for a bank account online with the information that was leaked. SIN isn't a requirement for a lot of financial institutions anymore. Very scary.

Is that true? I recently switched banks and in the process signed up for a few (no fee banking accounts, just to try out the service before deciding which I would use as my primary).

All of them required SIN.