[Rumour] Kraken exploring Giordano/Strome swap with Rangers

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

My god for a sub-sub par player Kylington sure gets a lot of air time on this forum.

Kylington has impressed me the vast majority of the time, moreso than pretty much every LD not named Giordano. I know the appeal-to-authority types disagree, but I think he's a pretty good player and would thrive in an expanded (top4) role. His "gaffes" get overblown and his strong plays get grossly understated. He also rarely, if ever, gets the benefit of a Tanev type partner who'd be the perfect foil to his style of play.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh Bradley

Lol

Exploring every avenue

After the draft obviously...apples/oranges

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Which team will claim him on waivers first?


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Seattle, easy

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Isn't The Hockey Guy just a fan who records videos in his basement? I seriously doubt that he knows better than anyone else about what is going to happen.

Absolutely. Just wondering if there has been a conflicting report.


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[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just love how moves are judged based on opinions of what may have been available.

Bubble teams don't move their captain at the deadline.
No teams do well moving big assets in a cap flat world.
The expansion spot became an issue because of another great free agent signing.

Treliving has made mistakes. I keep saying over and over again that there is plenty to attack if you don't like that guy instead of creating your own fantasy market with options and then criticizing someone for not exercising an option in this dream scape.

Yeah, what is with all these posters unhappy about losing one of the most valuable assets of any of the 30 teams in the expansion draft? It's not like there was any forewarning about there being an expansion draft this summer. It was a complete surprise to all the teams, so what can you do?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's going to be really funny when it turns out there was nothing to this and he's staying with Seattle.

No funnier is at 6pm we learn that they are taking Shillington and no Gio.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Yeah, what is with all these posters unhappy about losing one of the most valuable assets of any of the 30 teams in the expansion draft? It's not like there was any forewarning about there being an expansion draft this summer. It was a complete surprise to all the teams, so what can you do?

That is the thing. Your post is sarcastic but the fact is this isn’t a surprise to anyone so why are people getting upset now?

The reason this happened is because the free agent signing last summer that was pretty much universally panned turned out to be better than we all imagined.

I remember last offseason stating the best case scenario for Tanev was he played well enough to be selected by Seattle. I would have never in my wildest dreams thought Gio would be lost to Seattle because either he was going to be protected or he was going to regress to the point he wouldn’t be selected.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Yeah, what is with all these posters unhappy about losing one of the most valuable assets of any of the 30 teams in the expansion draft? It's not like there was any forewarning about there being an expansion draft this summer. It was a complete surprise to all the teams, so what can you do?

What you can do is examine the situation with the full context in mind, including being realistic about what a team is likely and not likely to do with that context in mind.

[tvp2003]

Part of me likes to think that Kylington's limited usage last year was a bit of subterfuge so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. I think he has the skating ability that Brodie had, and offensive upside as well. Isn't this the kind of player that teams want in the modern NHL?

Or, I'm just overrating him and he actually sucks.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Part of me likes to think that Kylington's limited usage last year was a bit of subterfuge so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. I think he has the skating ability that Brodie had, and offensive upside as well. Isn't this the kind of player that teams want in the modern NHL?

Or, I'm just overrating him and he actually sucks.

I thought he looked pretty good for the limited number of games he played last year. Hopefully it was Sutter just hiding him from the Kraken. Like from Clash of the Titans.

[Robo]

Isn't there a trade freeze how could they trade gio?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

It's not like there was any forewarning about there being an expansion draft this summer. It was a complete surprise to all the teams, so what can you do?

Not sure if I understand the last half of your post correctly, (i.e. green text)

However the expansion draft obviously was not a surprise.

Teams have known about it for a long time

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Part of me likes to think that Kylington's limited usage last year was a bit of subterfuge so we wouldn't lose him to Seattle. I think he has the skating ability that Brodie had, and offensive upside as well. Isn't this the kind of player that teams want in the modern NHL?

Or, I'm just overrating him and he actually sucks.

And I assume putting him on waivers was just the Flames way of showing the world he wasn't worth much?

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Originally Posted by Robo

Isn't there a trade freeze how could they trade gio?

Seattle is the only team allowed to make trades with other teams.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Yeah, what is with all these posters unhappy about losing one of the most valuable assets of any of the 30 teams in the expansion draft? It's not like there was any forewarning about there being an expansion draft this summer. It was a complete surprise to all the teams, so what can you do?

So what was the alternative? Lose a younger D on a longer term contract? Give up a 1st and a 3rd to keep him and still lose another player? Trade him to another team who not only have to give up assets to the Flames to acquire him, but also have to expose one of their current top 3 D in the expansion draft in order to protect him? Trade another young but established NHL-calibre D on a team-friendly contract who still has room to grow for some magic draft beans?

Quite simply, the Flames' options were all bad, and they were always going to be as a result of having a young D core who still have room to grow and are worth protecting. Gio is a diminishing asset due to his age and contract, especially when most teams are near the upper limit of the flat cap. His best seasons are likely behind him. When his contract was signed, most posters on this board would have given their eyeteeth for it to be one year shorter, and that is exactly what they got.

The 6.75M in cap space can be put to very good use in a flat cap year, as UFA contracts should be more team-friendly with not much cap space to go around. Time to pursue a top 6 RW, or trade Monahan+ or Backlund+ (I prefer the latter although there is the NTC to deal with, because I think Monahan will be quite undervalued right now) to get a true 1C. Hanifin and Andersson looked good together, and I think Tanev can support Valimaki and elevate his game. Kylington is OK for a 3rd pairing D, maybe matched with Stone on a league-minimum contract.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Isn't The Hockey Guy just a fan who records videos in his basement? I seriously doubt that he knows better than anyone else about what is going to happen.

He's really good at collating info though, so if he said that in a matter-of-fact way he's likely seen something that indicates this from someone that might actually know.

If it's just his opinion, then it's worth nothing.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

My god for a sub-sub par player Kylington sure gets a lot of air time on this forum.

Kylington is the most interesting defensive prospect we have. He has elite tools, and with the loss of Gio, he isn’t going to get a better chance to establish himself as a regular player.

-1 0G 1A in 8 GP averaged 13:01 TOI.

5v5 CF 54.7%
5v5 FF 51.1%
PDO 99.3

Don’t get me wrong, it’s nothing spectacular.

But it looks like the game is beginning to slow down for Kylington.

If it is, we have a player on our hands.

I don’t get the sense anybody expects multiple Norris trophies, but it isn’t unreasonable to believe Oliver can take a regular shift on an NHL blue line.

He’s right at that age when defensemen begin to figure it out, and our team sorta needs him to.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And I assume putting him on waivers was just the Flames way of showing the world he wasn't worth much?

They fooled everyone. Flames are playing the long game. Maybe Kylington can be saved from the regular season tear and wear and show up for the playoffs - Kucherov style

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

And I assume putting him on waivers was just the Flames way of showing the world he wasn't worth much?

He was put on waivers at the beginning of the year, when Ward was our coach and Treliving thought this roster was actually capable of contending. More importantly, it was when us and every other team in the NHL was trying to sneak players through waivers to get down to roster limits.

Jacob Markstrom was once on waivers too.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Kylington has impressed me the vast majority of the time, moreso than pretty much every LD not named Giordano. I know the appeal-to-authority types disagree, but I think he's a pretty good player and would thrive in an expanded (top4) role. His "gaffes" get overblown and his strong plays get grossly understated. He also rarely, if ever, gets the benefit of a Tanev type partner who'd be the perfect foil to his style of play.

I'm probably one of the appeal to authority types you cite but yeah, Kylington needed a lot more rope than he was given by any coach so far. he can't improve defensively without more playing time.